(April 20, 2023 at 3:57 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: We're not going to find universal religious truth in the ways that we're different, obvs.
Your sacred reality doesn't appear to be exhausted by the abrahamic god. Your god is in there, sure, but so is this other stuff. Does islam exhaust sacred reality? Is it's god a universally applicable idea?
More fundamentally, is the answer to the question of how many gods there are and who those gods prophets are actually relevant to universal religious truth in the first place?
-As an example. I think a candidate for universal religious truth is the moral import of healing. Tell me, what does the number of gods and the name of prophets have to do with that? What is allahs relationship to witchcraft?
1) As I told you I believe in a singular reality. There is just one Universe which is being governed by the rules of science.
I cannot say straight way that the God of Islam is a universal reality. The reason for this is that there are different interpretations of Islam (and of any other religion on earth). Religion doesn’t work like science. In science you can either prove something or you cannot prove it. It’s very simple. So there are types of religion. And therefore there are differences.
My point or argument is that, there is a Singular Reality that is being pointed at by all main religious traditions in this world. My personal journey has led me to this conclusion.
Last phrase: I think I missed you point again. Sorry
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Yet another point I want to make again is this:
https://youtu.be/E8HR3LSUXrk?t=946
This is a link to a conversation between Sadhguru (a famous Indian Yogi) and a neuro scientist. What’s so funny about this video is that Sadhguru is someone who is used to meet people from basically all walk of life and he is used to being carefully listened to and he always has this feeling of superiority toward others. And in this video it doesn’t happen. Steven Laurey here is a positivist. (there is also a similar video of Sadhguru with the famous physics professor Michio Kaku. He too is a positivist and he too is seen in a video simply not engaging into a discussion with Sadhguru.
So if you see what I’m pointing at my ego is small. I don’t defy the rules of science and/or reason. In fact I’ve learned to live with the possibility that things that I believe in might not be correct. This is a part of my nature. SO there is always this possibility of me being completely wrong.
Yet, as I told you before, People in the past knew nothing about anything. So they invented Gods. The sea was stormy because Neptune was not satisfied. Crops would not grow because Ceres was angry. They did not know about electricity so they thought that thunder was a result of Donnar. Recently I had a friend who was joking while looking through the telescope and saying “Oh I see green fields, rivers of honey and beautiful young ladies…”
So I believe that someone has a very serious problem if he/she believes that being LGBTQ+ is a sickness that must be cured. You know like Ruth Bugs in the 2011 movie called Paul. I see problem when someone starts to defy reason or scientifically established facts.
And I also met a reiki master once. He wanted to help someone who was in Coma through bio-energy. The doctor simply refused him. So he had to send his Reiki energy from a distance.
This being said: - Yes the way I perceive Higher-Realities I think these can only be universal. If its non-universal, Non-Scientific or against reason
a) You are making a mistake (90% of the time) or
b) There is some problem with the teaching itself (bad translation, modification that has occurred in time, Religious figures distorting the original message, Lack of historical / cultural perspective etc. etc.)
SO I think you are used to be dealing with fanatics, people who forced scientists to silence, who manipulated the masses to their own benefit, who even tried to impeach Columbus from ever discovering America. I’m thinking of Copenicus, Galilei or even Taqi ad-Din whose 16th century observatory was demolished by angry mobs.
So what I say is that (unfortunately) religion is all of these things.
Yet: I doesn’t have to be all of these things. And that’s the strong aspect of religion. In fact political Islamists like to select these aspects of religion to first convince their would-be follower, then they start feeding them with all sorts of nonsense in order to be able to manipulate them according to their ego-oriented needs.
The reason for my conviction is that these “religious” people are usually the most ego-centric fear-based and most distorted personalities of the world. And, most people who believe in something in a sincere manner will tell you that the most basic aim of their belief system is to put some boundaries to this Ego situation.
Otherwise: I’m ok with positivism too. But right now I don’t see any contradiction with my beliefs and scientific facts. In fact it has been proved that regular meditation has very important health benefits, and Yoga for instance is now being taught in many sport facilities, colleges and universities around the world.
So I am seeking some sort of reconciliation here. Not confrontation
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