RE: If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist
June 13, 2023 at 6:02 pm
(This post was last modified: June 13, 2023 at 6:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 13, 2023 at 3:32 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: I said all morality is relative. God's standard Identified as "righteousness" is not relative. God's righteousness is fixed. Making Morality Man's societal standard or Man's version of righteousness which allows for or incorporates what man has deemed as minor sin.If all morality is relative - then whatever gods morality is, would be relative. This is tautologically true. If, otoh, you believe that gods morality is not relative...then you cannot believe that all morality is relative.
One way or another, you've misspoken.
Quote:Any 'objective' moral standard that is not God's righteousness is just another form of moral relativism.I think you're going to have alot of trouble demonstrating that claim.
Quote:as the inherently good or bad deeds that underline what makes object moralism 'objective' is still based on what society defines as right and or wrong.If the good and bad making properties of a moral system are the declarations of society, then we are discussing a fundamentally relativistic society.
Quote:The primary difference is the points in objective morality are adopted generationally. Sometimes having around for several generations. Like murder, or rape.. but even then these lines get blurred from time to time.If the good and bad making properties are the traditions of a society, then we are discussing a fundamentally relativistic society.
In contrast..in any objective moral system, the good and bad making properties of x - must be factual properties of x. Not properties of a given subjects society or tradition. I'll give you three claims, see if you can spot the objective one?
1. It's bad to punch people in the face because we never have before.
2. It's bad to punch people in the face because our government says so.
3. It's bad to punch people in the face because punching people in the face causes harm.
Quote:This 'christian over lap' is a perfect example of generational/object morality as it is a diluted form of God's righteous standard. Which is eroding over time. What would never been allowed two generations back is now the social norm. Which is where my question to you came in, to determine if your morality was objective or relative. and if objective where that line is.Christians have been marrying children for many more than just two generations. There's nothing to determine. I've told you multiple time that I'm a moral realist. Other posters have reminded you of this basic fact.
(June 13, 2023 at 3:36 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: Don't forget Human demon hybrids/demi-gods.In for a penny, in for a pound.
(June 13, 2023 at 4:08 pm)R-Farmer Wrote: again, "K/F" aside, ( you are still arguing irrelevant details) I'm asking what tells you this or any other morally objectionable act is to be considered evil behavior?The facts of whatever matter x. It really is that simple.
Quote:I contend objective morality is just generational form of relative morality. IE, it is wrong because your father told you it was wrong, and His father before him and so on back till at one point it for whatever reason it wasn't.If the good and bad making properties are daddy declarations - that would fall somewhere between relativism and subjectivism. Neither of those two is objectivism.
Quote:I am also pointing out without God as a point or foundation to your moral/Righteous objectivity, if you lived in a time where "K/F" was not generationally prohibited there would be nothing to stop you from indulging in this sin or any other.I find that I mostly don't need to be stopped from doing bad shit. Our experiences may be different. The things god says or the things people say about god aren't only unnecessary to objective moral systems - they're disqualifying to objective moral systems.
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