Conscience and the Moral Argument as Evidence for the Goodness of God.

[The Grand Nudger]

Ok, so if the Rapist "individually and personally say[s] what's right or wrong.... and all of us are right", is he right?  I agree that these are the sort of absurd conclusions subjective morality would lead to, but that should be considered as evidence it's a wrong theory of morals.

In a genuinely subjectivist universe, yes.  

How could we ever consistently jail people for that, then, or write laws binding on all against that, if all we're doing is imposing our subjective morals upon them?

We do it very efficiently, even if there were some other way.  

In fact, law would become either arbitrary or tyranny, as who is to say some people's version of what's right (when others are equally right, as you said, from their perspective), should be imposed on others? The majority's, in any particular case? What if the majority is wrong? The majority today would surely agree rape is wrong, yet in this or that State, might err on other things. And, one could hardly argue there is such a thing as an unjust law, when for e.g. the law does not prohibit infanticide or some such thing. "Lawmakers", or human legislators are bound by the first principles of the moral Law when legislating. We who obey the moral Law and recognize it to be objective (and I include some Atheists in that; they just don't understand all that objective morality entails imo) know that it would be just as wrong to kill or rape or steal in a hypothetical Country X where it was legal to do all these things, just as wrong as it would be in places where they are illegal. That means, the moral Law we obey does derive from any human law. Therefore ... etc.

You'll probably want to pump the brakes on some of that.  Legality and morality are not interchangeable.  There is good that is illegal, and there is bad that is legal.  This is a feature of our laws, not a bug.  Law enforcement is there to deal with crime, not to deal with people being morally incorrect.

As for Abortion, if we'd agree, that's great. Yes, I can't assume all Atheists would disagree about Abortion being wrong. Obviously, some Atheists and Liberals do disagree, though, and many Christians and Conservatives are Pro-Life, though there are also Secular Pro-Life organizations of course. And yes, I agree, even without faith in divine revelation, one can know that Abortion is wrong, especially in our time when science has shown Children in the Womb from around 6 weeks or so, if not earlier, have a discernible beating human heart.

That wouldn't be a reason that it's wrong in any objectivist moral system, as that claim is not true.  Objectivism requires facts.  Worse, "It's wrong because they have a heart" wouldn't be completely compelling even if it were true.  We kill things with hearts all the time.  You've got the general idea, though..and see how you didn't have to say a single thing about any god to assert that?  Why is abortion wrong, because babies have hearts.  

Heres the rub.  If you already knew that people could know the moral status of a thing regardless of whether there are gods or they believed in gods...why did you say any of the other silly shit you've said?  Is it moral, in your system, to lie?

I wouldn't worry too much about the babies, though, gods cool with it. Abortions are what you do when you think your wife/property was unfaithful. Says so in magic book.