(December 13, 2011 at 4:40 am)dtango Wrote: Well, what do I do is to attack the atheists’ and agnostics’ personal subjective by showing that it is as false as theists is.
Theists believe that god produced people and atheists that people produced gods. None, however, arrived at the corresponding conclusion by himself. They are repeating what they were told. That is why your agnosticism cannot inform your epistemic position on the subject.
What do you hope to win with your attack? Do you wish them to abandon their personal perspective altogether and just live in the objective world? I doubt that will work. We all interface with the objective world by way of our fields of consciousness and being self aware means one aspect of the objective world which we must take into account is us.
I doubt that the only way to arrive at a theist, atheist and/or agnostic conclusion is through transmission from others. Of course the usual way is to be brought up in a family which promotes a particular How is it you've arrived at your "level 7 atheism"? (BTW, what is that?)
Do you recognize that your own road to atheism is not any more or less free from bias than that of anyone else?
(December 13, 2011 at 4:40 am)dtango Wrote: How can you build a personal subjective perspective on the god issue when you have no information at all as to how the idea of the god was produced.
I recognize that there are aspects of my own subjective experience which are open to the interpretation of an experience with god. I just don't think that is the best explanation. Of course I'm aware that many people do like explanation and have for thousands of years. But I see no reason to decide such a thing based on a popular vote.
(December 13, 2011 at 4:40 am)dtango Wrote: If it was a renowned philosopher, a wise man, who informed humanity of the existence of God he would have explained how it happened and he detected the existence of God. But it was no philosopher, it was oral tradition, popular tradition, it was the layman, the common people who informed humanity about the existence of gods.
Millions of people all over the world cannot be wrong. Don’t you think? They knew without doubt, but you do not know! Atheists also don’t!
There is something wrong with atheism and agnosticism. What is it?
You seem to feel that being in the minority is an issue. I don't. It is better to go wrong in your own way than to go with someone else' opinion in the hopes of being right.
