If everything has a purpose then evil doesn't exist

[The Grand Nudger]

Come now, that’s -obviously- untrue.  If you had no other example of harm based objectivism I’m still right here, telling you that I prefer harm based objectivism.

Cutting all the way to the chase…if that’s not what god is doing then Idc what amoral pronouncements it makes.  If that’s what god is doing…well…why the fuck are you still arguing with me in the first place?

This isn't even universally accepted in the world today.

as several countries and cultures embrace 'harm based discipline/punishment' as being good for the over health of society. In fact the majority of the world embraces harm based 'discipline' with children and with adults.

Objectivist values aren't true or false based on the level of acceptance in a society.  If you still think this is a meaningful criticism of metaethical objectivism you have failed to absorb anything you've only recently been exposed to, as you tell the tale.

Even worse, you're missing the inference there completely, imo.  It's often proposed that doing some little harm will prevent or make less likely a greater harm.  People who think that harm can be corrective are not rejecting harm based moral objectivism - they're thoroughly assuming it.  It's because harm thing x does indeed harm said subject y that y will remember it and find it corrective, with respect to greater harm possibility z.  

The idea of christian sin plays with harm based objectivism.  Every time some witchdoctor says that homosex causes hurricanes..or that evil acts damage your soul.  The idea of sin as miasma or disease is so explicit on harm that it detaches the harm from any particular agent and makes it it's very own force floating through the air doing shit to people.  The idea that god puts folks through trials and tribulations and that the world exists as it is (warts and all) because this is a giant soul forge, also very explicitly arising from harm based objectivism.

The short version of a long story, is that in arguing against moral objectivism with me you remove the alleged moral warrant of your own god, you contradict your very own apologetics, and you present a self defeating worldview of purely transactional nihilism.  I somehow doubt that was your intention...but here we are.

All colors are red, even green?

Just fyi..we do get this stuff all the time.  None of it is new to us - as I explained..I have this exact conversation pretty often.  Ask around, most of these guys are bored of me typing shit like "statements that purport to report facts"..especially when I could be making wicked dick jokes and posting puppy pics.

I'm sorry I should have been more clear. I am not speaking about everyone here when I say or simply refer to 'you guys.' You for instance, are very well versed with your arguments, and it seems you are in fact experienced with the subject matters at hand. I was referring to the guys who have abandoned the subject of discussion completely and started name calling. You have not done that . I value your efforts in maintaining this topic. which is why I will do what I can to stay on subject so long as you care to respond.

Yes, you should be much more clear.  Are all colors red, even green?  Tell me how to make sense of a statement like this so that I can make sense of your statement that all morality is relative, even objective morality.