RE: Does the fact that many non-human animals have pituitary disprove Cartesian Dualism?
June 23, 2023 at 5:37 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2023 at 5:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
There are fish that pass mirror tests. That, btw, is a homology, so you do appear to believe that homologies are instructive. Perhaps things like chimps and dolphins pass mirror tests but it's just a coincidence. They don't actually have any sense of self.
Mind you, I'm not arguing that the matter of whether a given animal has x is settled, I'm just trying to pin down some of the stranger missteps. Like believing that a mirror test gives us good reason to suspect that chimps and dolphins have a sense of self because they pass mirror tests, but not a fish when it passes a mirror test. Conversely, that we know specific structures are required for "human pain" that are either absent or in very short supply in fish - and yet we still suggest they feel such pain.
As a fun aside, I'm not sure that fish being able to talk would be any more useful than people being able to talk. We lie to researchers. Like...alot.
Mind you, I'm not arguing that the matter of whether a given animal has x is settled, I'm just trying to pin down some of the stranger missteps. Like believing that a mirror test gives us good reason to suspect that chimps and dolphins have a sense of self because they pass mirror tests, but not a fish when it passes a mirror test. Conversely, that we know specific structures are required for "human pain" that are either absent or in very short supply in fish - and yet we still suggest they feel such pain.
As a fun aside, I'm not sure that fish being able to talk would be any more useful than people being able to talk. We lie to researchers. Like...alot.
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