(June 27, 2023 at 12:00 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:(June 27, 2023 at 11:48 am)R-Farmer Wrote: I am speaking or myself. That is why I said, "I contend that all forms of morality are relative."I'm going to chalk this one up to a language comprehension problem. Speaking for yourself and your god, you could only contend that your morality and your gods morality were relative - though I don't think even that would be accurate - particularly given your most recent responses.
Again from our last discussion what you deem as 'God's morality' is not morality at all but righteousness. As morality is man's ever changing standard not God's. So when speaking of a moral standard I can only speak for myself. meaning what I see as right and wrong may not be what god sees as right and wrong.
Quote:You espouse a worldview where you would claim to believe even what you know to be false.I never said I knew my understanding of how the whole Ark narrative played out was false. I said it did not matter to me if it was right or wrong. Meaning whether I am right or whether I am wrong about the ark, it does not change what I believe. I consider my egg baby mammal theory a plausible way for all of this to have gone down IF in fact the ark was indeed a wooden boat facing a global flood..
You are claiming I am knowing spreading disinformation to try and put people off the true story. Not the case. as we truly do not know if the story is meant to be taken at face value, if this was a local flood or a global one.
When asked to represent scripture my exegesis is defined by the parameters of the story. Meaning I can't tell people that the ark was a space ship. If giving a biblical account it was a wooden ship made from worm wood.. What is worm wood? we don't know. so will it break my faith to fine out worm wood was a stone or some sort of alloy? No. No more than it would if I found out it was made from cedar or some extinct tree that did not grow back after the flood.
My beliefs are fluid, but contained with in the parameters of scripture.
Quote: Where there is no obligation to tell the truth, not even about your god,that is a disingenuous assessment. My obligation to the truth is to God.
Quote:because there is no moral standard, only a transactional interaction. You say things because you want something. God, you hope, is cool with this.If you go back to post 183 I clearly say:
Quote:And if you took say, eggs and baby animals instead of full grown adults? If eggs were taken that would represent all avian reptiles and amphibians which would take up a fraction of the space and eliminate the need to feed them. (that's 3/4s of every class of creature on the planet.) Then if you took baby mammals all you would need is a large source of milk and that would also take up a fraction of the space and reduce the needs for most of the food.
That said the story of the ark is not a logistical tale of how one man saved the world from an angry God, but how God used and helped one man save the world from a level of sin it had never seen before or have seen since.
Me telling you guys that the are is not a logistic tale... is me telling you what I am sharing is not meant to be taken as if it were written in stone. The ark narrative was never meant to be seen or understood as a way one man defied God and saved the world from him as if the things Noah did had any meaning by itself.
The central truth behind the Flood narrative is about How God used the faith of one man to save all of creation from an evil the world had never seen before or since.