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Why atheism is a belief.
RE: Why atheism is a belief.

(December 14, 2011 at 5:02 pm)goodcake Wrote: If you think a god is pointless/ridculous, outline your reasons for thinking so

Quote:1: There is no evidence for a god or gods
This is irrelevant and does not prove or justify anything. This argument assumes its conclusion by saying you cannot disprove something which does not exist. Without providing a valid alternative (which you should have done in point 2), you're left stranded.


Quote:2: Everything that is attributed to god or gods has other explanations that better describe the observable universe.

Everything? Try the creation of existence.

Is this where the atheist invokes a long string of gods from Norse, Greek, Jewish, Muslim faiths to discount any worldy event which can be accounted for scientifically. These elucidate nothing.

e.g As Thor has been proven to not create lightening, therefore no god exists.

What are these better explanations you speak of?

Quote:3: The idea of god was obviously a primitive try at explaining the world by people ignorant of the facts. most of the first part of genesis is just a sort of 'just so' story,(google rudyard kipling if you dont know what these are).

Not at all. We just have different questions now. If you have answers please outline these. Just because some events which can be accounted for by not invoking a god, atheists seem to think this refutes a god.

Quote:4: The idea of an after life is just wishfull thinking that has no scientific basis in fact.
So science and humanity can measure everything that is, and as it is? If you say yes you're deluded, if you say no, you have no basis for using "fact" as a basis for your position.
Quote:5: There is no reason to think that anything 'supernatural' exists ouside of wishfull thinking or fear.
If you limit your entire life and views on what science can measure you will miss many things.

Quote:6: The ability of man to self delude is well documented.
Does this refute your position? or only everyone who disagrees with you?

Quote:7: there are so many contradictory faiths. (my wife is a spiritualist whose beliefs are completely different to your beliefs but are just as real to her as yours are to you, so eiher you are wrong she is wrong or both of you are wrong, I vote for the latter).

You have your belief, which I think is wrong - we could debate that til the cows come home.

That there are many contradcitory faiths, doesn't lend itself to meaning yours is correct.





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Why atheism is a belief. - by JoopWoop - December 6, 2011 at 5:23 pm
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