(December 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm)goodcake Wrote:The burden of proof still belong to religious ones whom making the claims that there is all-powerful daddy in sky. The lack of evidence in the existence of god is relevant as to the lack of evidence in the existence of little, glowing female fairies with nipples.Quote:1: There is no evidence for a god or godsThis is irrelevant and does not prove or justify anything. This argument assumes its conclusion by saying you cannot disprove something which does not exist. Without providing a valid alternative (which you should have done in point 2), you're left stranded.
(December 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm)goodcake Wrote:Quote:2: Everything that is attributed to god or gods has other explanations that better describe the observable universe.
Everything? Try the creation of existence.
Is this where the atheist invokes a long string of gods from Norse, Greek, Jewish, Muslim faiths to discount any worldy event which can be accounted for scientifically. These elucidate nothing.
e.g As Thor has been proven to not create lightening, therefore no god exists.
What are these better explanations you speak of?
Try the bible' Genesis, Creationism and Intelligence Design - they elucidate nothing. Better explanations? Didn't you Christians contradict yourselves that your god is all-merciful, all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving, in which the bible differs? It's natural for people oppose the abuse condoned by god accord the bible.
(December 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm)goodcake Wrote:Quote:4: The idea of an after life is just wishfull thinking that has no scientific basis in fact.So science and humanity can measure everything that is, and as it is? If you say yes you're deluded, if you say no, you have no basis for using "fact" as a basis for your position.
(December 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm)goodcake Wrote:You are deluded if you think science don't have potential. Science is still growing, goodcake. Science are capable of explaining things more than the bible possibility can.Quote:5: There is no reason to think that anything 'supernatural' exists ouside of wishfull thinking or fear.If you limit your entire life and views on what science can measure you will miss many things.
Lifestyle with science doesn't sound bad. Hell, It's better lifestyle than lifestyle with limited perspective of our understanding the universe.
(December 14, 2011 at 6:40 pm)goodcake Wrote:The guy you are arguing with - he probably has point about delusion. Devil possession, for example. There aren't any demons began with - but the Vatican dimwits exorcised little girl and killed her as result. There's too many delusions like "power of prayer over modern medicine". This kind of idiocy had a lot of children abused and killed by religious dimwits.Quote:6: The ability of man to self delude is well documented.Does this refute your position? or only everyone who disagrees with you?
Quote:7: there are so many contradictory faiths. (my wife is a spiritualist whose beliefs are completely different to your beliefs but are just as real to her as yours are to you, so eiher you are wrong she is wrong or both of you are wrong, I vote for the latter).
You have your belief, which I think is wrong - we could debate that til the cows come home.
That there are many contradcitory faiths, doesn't lend itself to meaning yours is correct.
There is many forms of Christianity, which proves Christians are contradict among themselves and forming new bleed of Christian stupidity like FLDS [Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints]. You could argue the practice of monogamy is very unethical, in which condoned by god in the bible. Therefore, you are contradicting the bible.