RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse
July 15, 2023 at 11:46 am
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2023 at 11:47 am by Loaded dice.)
(July 15, 2023 at 11:29 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It looks like you've decided that god is wrong, rather than submit to the possibility that you are wrong. As I suggested, you believe in something other than god. Something smaller. Something that is not necessary. A guy with superpowers.
Show me even half of a verse in the Qur'an, or the Bible, or any religious book, with the word "logically necessary" in it. It's a purely philosophical concept that may or may not apply to traditional belief systems.
And a necessary being isn't needed to fulfill theism's even most radical claims: An all powerful but contingent being is enough to create this world and make an afterlife and everything else that the religious believe in.
So, even if I conceive of God as an all-powerful or omniscient being, it still doesn't follow that He's logically necessary.
(July 15, 2023 at 11:29 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I fully endorse this belief, mind you. I think it's about a thousand times more honest than any of that necessary being bullshit...though it's equally false. I'll be counting on you as a partner in crime the next time some nutter shows up babbling about arguments from necessity or conceivability.
Some of these arguments are pretty strong, like Avicenna's contingency argument. but probably it resembles some ontological argument or may be equivalent to it. Regardless, a theist won't need any of these, we can have an inductive argument for an all-powerful all knowing deity and that's fine.