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Islam owns atheism with a single verse
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse
(July 16, 2023 at 2:05 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Are the events that he purports to be historical actually true or not. That's all I care about. 

No, they aren't, Spencer's thesis -that Muhammad PBUH never existed- is hot garbage.

Patricia Crone is a hardened revisionist -and an actual scholar of Islamic history, unlike your anti-Muslim idol- with regards to the beginnings of Islam, she casts into doubt the location of Mecca, the entire traditions or hadiths associated with the prophet, and the origin of the Qur'an itself. All her ideas are extreme and run contrary to all what Muslim historians ever wrote. And she still affirms that Muhammad undoubtedly existed : https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/mohammed_3866jsp/

Quote : "There is no doubt that Mohammed existed".

Jesus purportedly existed some 600 years before Muhammad, and even his existence is virtually uncontroversial among scholars, (in Bart Ehrman's words : "He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees."). We know much more about Muhammad than we know about Jesus, because the former is simply more recent.

Doubting Muhammad's existence is up there with the most ridiculous anti-Muslim claims ever made. Ironically, this denial makes the emergence of the Qur'an and the Islamic message way more difficult to explain in naturalistic terms, it perfectly plays into the hands of Muslim apologists by lending support to the thesis of divine intervention.

(July 16, 2023 at 2:05 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: Was the calendar later changed from the Arabic calendar, in which there was a "leap month" and when the biographies were written the leap months "disappeared" ?

I am not sure how any calender is relevant to your claim, that the Islamic prophet never existed. Please stick to one topic and defend your claim.

(July 15, 2023 at 8:30 pm)Astreja Wrote: It's a violation of my free will and my identity, obviously.  The moment a being "modifies" me without my explicit consent, I'm no longer myself.

So, after a surgeon modifies someone's brain to save their life -without their explicit consent-, the patient is no longer themselves?

And it's really, really hard for you, as an atheist, to justify the claim that free will exists.

(July 15, 2023 at 8:30 pm)Astreja Wrote: I'm not even interested in eternal life.  Absolutely hideous concept.

You're not interested in eternal bliss ? 

You're lying.
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RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by h4ym4n - July 9, 2023 at 5:44 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by h4ym4n - July 9, 2023 at 9:04 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by h4ym4n - July 9, 2023 at 12:07 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 8, 2023 at 5:59 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Silver - July 10, 2023 at 7:30 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 8, 2023 at 9:43 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 9, 2023 at 4:13 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 9, 2023 at 6:09 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 9, 2023 at 6:55 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 9, 2023 at 12:14 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by h4ym4n - July 9, 2023 at 12:18 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 9, 2023 at 12:24 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 10, 2023 at 5:29 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 10, 2023 at 7:45 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 10, 2023 at 8:30 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Silver - July 10, 2023 at 7:49 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 15, 2023 at 11:49 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by h4ym4n - July 15, 2023 at 11:33 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Nay_Sayer - July 15, 2023 at 10:59 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 14, 2023 at 7:24 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Nay_Sayer - July 14, 2023 at 11:29 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 15, 2023 at 7:59 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 15, 2023 at 8:02 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 15, 2023 at 8:09 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 15, 2023 at 8:26 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 15, 2023 at 9:07 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 16, 2023 at 9:12 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 15, 2023 at 9:11 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Nay_Sayer - July 15, 2023 at 11:05 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Angrboda - July 15, 2023 at 11:44 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Angrboda - July 15, 2023 at 11:17 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 15, 2023 at 8:30 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Nay_Sayer - July 15, 2023 at 12:00 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Angrboda - July 15, 2023 at 12:55 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 16, 2023 at 1:38 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Loaded dice - July 21, 2023 at 2:29 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 22, 2023 at 2:16 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by brewer - July 17, 2023 at 12:31 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 21, 2023 at 4:54 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 23, 2023 at 4:16 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 23, 2023 at 3:17 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - July 22, 2023 at 4:01 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 23, 2023 at 8:00 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 23, 2023 at 9:38 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - July 24, 2023 at 3:42 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - August 3, 2023 at 7:59 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by h4ym4n - August 3, 2023 at 5:56 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Silver - August 3, 2023 at 9:31 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Astreja - August 4, 2023 at 12:23 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by Gwaithmir - August 5, 2023 at 7:52 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by no one - August 5, 2023 at 8:54 am
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by LinuxGal - August 6, 2023 at 1:12 pm
RE: Islam owns atheism with a single verse - by LinuxGal - August 6, 2023 at 1:22 pm

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