(August 3, 2023 at 3:55 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: Let me remind you of the context of this discussion : you're here claiming that hell, if exists, is immoral. Under the hypothetical of hell's existence, one presupposes that God exists and that some religious account of hell or similar eschatological worlds turned out to be true.
So, in this context, God's perspective isn't subjective, it's objective, as God is the absolute moral arbiter. If you want to play the "all religions are subjective" trump card, fine, but you can no longer object to hell.
No, it's definitely subjective because your alleged god decided unilaterally that eternal torture was just. Power does not make something objective or just.
(August 3, 2023 at 3:55 pm)Loaded dice Wrote: Again, presupposing that eternal punishment exists means that you should abide by the rules of the religious worldview.
No, not playing that game. I perceive morality as minimization of harm and suffering, and in my view your alleged god is disgustingly immoral and unworthy of respect. I can't magically start to love or respect something that I find abhorrent.
