(August 19, 2023 at 10:37 am)Barry Wrote:(August 19, 2023 at 10:04 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: I don't think you're going to find an argument that works Barry. There's only one successful argument for a god. Successful meaning that there's nothing obviously wrong with it. The main criticism of that successful argument, ironically, is that it's not convincing. Think about that. The very best logical argument that man has ever devised, in all of his time very much trying to devise a successful argument, is unconvincing. If the very best argument can't convince, then why would these bush league offerings in thread convince?
Were you even convinced by them? Was it because you don't know how the universe was created that you came to believe in christ, for example? Or, if you prefer, do you really think that the people here are just terrible motherfuckers who harbor secret god beliefs? Is that who you are, is that all that your christianity is?
Hi GN, nice to hear from you again. I don’t expect to find an “argument that works”. That’s beyond anyone. Faith is a gift from God. I don’t think anyone is a TMF nor do I know what the forum members believe. Or don’t believe. I do believe many people feel threatened by the idea of a creator God, because it might mean they are accountable for their sins. The Christian God is a God of forgiveness. Catholics can go to confession and our sins are forgiven by God through the agency of the priest. Very few baptised Catholics go to Mass in Australia (my country) or Europe. Less than 10%, it’s heading for 5%. Even less go to confession. Confession is very liberating.
I digress.
Do I believe in Christ because I “don’t know how the universe was created”. Well, I’ve been a Catholic all my life, and always believed God created the world. Never doubted it. But think a lot about it. Not because of any of the theories against God, but because of the personal implications for me. If you don’t believe in God, that’s complicated too.
The Christian god is a personal God. I’m on a lifetime journey trying to understand and to obey the “Greatest Commandment” of God given to us by Jesus Christ: to love god with all my heart, soul, strength and mind. Jesus said the second commandment is the same: to love my neighbour as myself.
You don’t have to be a Christian to obey the second. And many Christians don’t. We all struggle with both of these.
Cheers Barry
Hey Barry.
What are your thoughts on what happens to the souls of aborted babies?