(August 19, 2023 at 7:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:What a great post, pity it was wasted on a Troll/Sock(August 19, 2023 at 6:13 pm)Barry Wrote: Good morning
St Augustine said that if you think you understand God, you don’t. So it’s not surprising you don’t. Nor I. But there is only one answer to the creation of the universe, and that is God. I know it’s an inconvenient answer to atheists, and agnostics, etc, and it is a real challenge for thinking theists, but that’s the answer. No scientist has come close to any other way explanation and there are and have been countless eminent scientists who are Christians.
So if you don’t understand, don’t worry. There are many things we don’t understand in life, but accept on faith. Faith is a gift from God. You can accept it, or reject it.
Cheers Barry
For us faithless, kindly spell out the answer. What makes you think it's so terribly binary? What makes you think these are the only two possible answers?
What makes you so afraid to admit that we may not know, that you'd adhere to a synthetic explanation totally absent of proof?
I'd argue you 1) lack the imagination to consider that the answer may still be unknown and 2) the fortitude to say "We just don't know". You insist that this is binary, but you don't say why it may only be so.
I'd argue that you in your turn don't understand science as a process.
You are essentially pushing a god-of-the-gaps argument. How's that working out for your religion? Your pope concedes that natural selection is likely true, and we've had for decades experiments and observations showing that amino acids arise naturally. We've got a hypothesis about how they might congregate into cell-like structures.
We've made good headway into reducing deaths from cancer, which seems to be beyond your god's purview.
We ship food to starving regions which your god seems to care little about.
In so many ways, the "perfect" god you worship pulls up short of human efforts, so you fall back upon, "But yeah, who made it all?" And when shown that something may arise from nothing, you shake your head. Not out of rational objection, but out of beliefs. And you're afraid to say "We don't know". No! Because you must have The Answer You! Your evangelism is ego writ large.
I don't care what you believe. I care what you can demonstrate.
Until then, you're just another blowhard who thinks nonbelievers will (at last!) take you seriously ... like any other blowhard.
Meanwhile, why do you still tithe to an organization which shuffles molesters off to hide them from law enforcement? Do you like supporting that stuff? Or are you simply afraid of what the Joneses will think? And if so, is that not ego as well?
"For the only way to eternal glory is a life lived in service of our Lord, FSM; Verily it is FSM who is the perfect being the name higher than all names, king of all kings and will bestow upon us all, one day, The great reclaiming" -The Prophet Boiardi-
Conservative trigger warning.