(August 22, 2023 at 10:34 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:(August 22, 2023 at 10:25 am)Angrboda Wrote: I added to my post. Since I framed my answer in terms of who is most likely wrong, it evades that problem as positing a truth value to something that lacks truth values is also wrong.
In the real world we can only make statements about what we know. Since I doubt you've actually polled some forty odd people, you're clearly simply adding to the hypothetical by stipulating that it's a real world question. That adds no information about the specifics as they are still hypothetical.
I suspect we are talking at cross purposes in some way here. I honestly don't follow your thinking here at all. I may lack the philosophical vocabulary and education to understand.
To me, it seems clear (though I could be wrong) that if a statement would be nonsensical to apply a T/F condition to, then saying the number of opinions that say it is T/F cannot possibly affect how likely it is to be T or F.
But, that does seem a side-issue.
Let's take this hypothetical as something that happened in front of you in the real world with all your current knowledge and the world as it is. What would be your response in each case then?
My response would be the same, if I were required to give an answer based solely on the information at hand. But that is probably not a real world scenario.
As to the other, there is an example of the liar paradox, the Cretin who says that everything he says is a lie. Some suggest his statement is meaningless, and if so, it would still be not true as not being true doesn't require that the statement have the truth value of false, or indeed any truth value, only that it not have the truth value of true, which it doesn't if it indeed has no truth value. Being wrong is similar.
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