(September 2, 2023 at 10:24 am)zwanzig Wrote:(September 1, 2023 at 8:40 pm)brewer Wrote: There is some suffering that just can't be fixed. If you don't think so visit some hospice units.
bold: The individual gets to make the request/choice for euthanasia and the process will only proceed if that individual is found mentally competent by the powers that be. No one in the process gets to make the statement in bold.
I didn't say there wasn't some suffering that couldn't be fixed. I said we shouldn't make the ONLY option for care and support available for poor or underprivileged people being to simply die/be willingly killed.
I don't personally think it is a matter of "can't be fixed" if the person who is considering assisted suicide hasn't gotten full care or options simply because they're too expensive. That's not "well we tried everything".
For those people who are not bankrupted or put into huge amounts of debt by the care they've gotten and there STILL isn't anything we could do to alleviate their pain and suffering in existence, then yes, I gladly fucking accept they can choose death. But it is heavily stacked against them if their decision involves "well, even if I live through this treatment and am healed/cured on the other side, I will be in so much financial ruin that I won't actually be living living" then I do not personally believe that is a decision made with full capacity. And I think it is morally wrong to stand aside and let people kill themselves/assisted suicide if therapy or meds could potentially improve their quality of life. Especially with the way the mental health and medical industry is tipped so heavily by wealth inequalities.
Edit: in case it is still not clear, my stance on euthanasia isn't "nobody should die ever." My stance is that we have systemic class inequalities in the medical and mental healthcare industries that we need to work on before we can consider people's "right to die" valid. Because right now, it is not a decision the poor are making for themselves. Not really. It IS essentially the wealthy saying "You would be better off dead."
We're talking about euthanasia in Canada (and maybe Belgium-not the US) where wealth and access to care is a non issue, it's provided by the state/country government. Medical professionals (doctors) are making the determination that all medical treatments have been exhausted and that the person is competent when making the request.
Maybe you should go back and read what is in the link in post 1.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.