RE: Still Angry about Abraham and Isaac
September 12, 2023 at 4:31 pm
(This post was last modified: September 12, 2023 at 4:53 pm by Bucky Ball.)
The ancient Hebrews practiced child sacrifice. Some think it went on here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valley_of_..._(Gehenna)
Abraham was said to have migrated from Ur, which may have been a mythical reference ("memory") of the Hurrian Migration. https://www.worldhistory.org/Hurrians/
In Hebrew mythology, Abraham had 10 tests. The sacrifice of his son was one of the 10, and the fact that he agreed was simply in keeping with the local customs.
ETA : One of the really interesting things that got added to the story, was the importation of a theme from the period and local customs.
It's known as "the ram in the thicket". In Genesis, instead of sacrificing Isaac, he looks around and sees a ram in a bush, and sacrifices it instead.
Turns out it was a "thing" in the culture : https://www.google.com/search?q=ram+in+t...uvTHU4KuEM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_in_a_Thicket
The stories were invented to remind the Jews of his faithfulness and why Yahweh would/should be faithful to his promises. It was entirely mythical, but fit in exactly with their culture.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...-Tests.htm
There was also another god, (combo), called Javeh, (Jehovah) which came from Southern Canaan and the Jordan Valley. Javeh was the Edomite "mountain god", and is also thought to have origins associated with the Egyptian "volcano god". These traditions had within them the Moses stories, and so the origins of Moses, (Mosheh was a common Egyptian name), came from the South, and some think from Egypt. King Sargon of Babylon was also said to have been found on a riverbank and taken into the palace and raised there.
When the Judean priests were assembling the texts and myths, (around 550-575 BCE), of Genesis, they combined the materials .. which came from about 5 sources, in some ways, which are known, leaving many of the origins evident still in the texts, (idioms, vocabulary, etc etc). Scholars have known about this for about 150 years, and there isn't much dispute about it in academia, except in very fundamentalist schools, who deny it all, a priori.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacr...s%2033%3A6.
"Another probable instance of human sacrifice mentioned in the Bible is Jephthah's sacrifice of his daughter in Judges 11. Jephthah vows to sacrifice to God whatever comes to greet him at the door when he returns home if he is victorious in his war against the Ammonites. The vow is stated in the Book of Judges 11:31: "Then whoever comes of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord's, to be offered up by me as a burnt offering (NRSV)." When he returns from battle, his virgin daughter runs out to greet him, and Jephthah laments to her that he cannot take back his vow. She begs for, and is granted, "two months, so that I may go and wander on the mountains, and bewail my virginity, my companions and I", after which "[Jephthah] did with her according to the vow he had made."
Two kings of Judah, Ahaz and Manassah, sacrificed their sons. Ahaz, in 2 Kings 16:3, sacrificed his son. "... He even made his son pass through fire, according to the abominable practices of the nations whom the LORD drove out before the people of Israel (NRSV)." King Manasseh sacrificed his sons in 2 Chronicles 33:6. "He made his son pass through fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom ... He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger." The valley symbolized hell in later religions, such as Christianity, as a result.
There are some geographical anomalies/errors in the texts as told, which are impossible to reconcile.
The locations named locating the Abraham Isaac and Jacob myths are not possible to reconcile.
Child sacrifice was simply a part of ancient culture in Canaan.
Genesis 22:1–2
Exodus 34:19–20
Leviticus 18:21
Leviticus 20:1–5
Deuteronomy 12:29–31
Judges 11:34–39
2 Kings 3:27
2 Kings 23:10
Isaiah 30:33
Jeremiah 7:31
Abraham was said to have migrated from Ur, which may have been a mythical reference ("memory") of the Hurrian Migration. https://www.worldhistory.org/Hurrians/
In Hebrew mythology, Abraham had 10 tests. The sacrifice of his son was one of the 10, and the fact that he agreed was simply in keeping with the local customs.
ETA : One of the really interesting things that got added to the story, was the importation of a theme from the period and local customs.
It's known as "the ram in the thicket". In Genesis, instead of sacrificing Isaac, he looks around and sees a ram in a bush, and sacrifices it instead.
Turns out it was a "thing" in the culture : https://www.google.com/search?q=ram+in+t...uvTHU4KuEM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_in_a_Thicket
The stories were invented to remind the Jews of his faithfulness and why Yahweh would/should be faithful to his promises. It was entirely mythical, but fit in exactly with their culture.
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_c...-Tests.htm
There was also another god, (combo), called Javeh, (Jehovah) which came from Southern Canaan and the Jordan Valley. Javeh was the Edomite "mountain god", and is also thought to have origins associated with the Egyptian "volcano god". These traditions had within them the Moses stories, and so the origins of Moses, (Mosheh was a common Egyptian name), came from the South, and some think from Egypt. King Sargon of Babylon was also said to have been found on a riverbank and taken into the palace and raised there.
When the Judean priests were assembling the texts and myths, (around 550-575 BCE), of Genesis, they combined the materials .. which came from about 5 sources, in some ways, which are known, leaving many of the origins evident still in the texts, (idioms, vocabulary, etc etc). Scholars have known about this for about 150 years, and there isn't much dispute about it in academia, except in very fundamentalist schools, who deny it all, a priori.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacr...s%2033%3A6.
"Another probable instance of human sacrifice mentioned in the Bible is Jephthah's sacrifice of his daughter in Judges 11. Jephthah vows to sacrifice to God whatever comes to greet him at the door when he returns home if he is victorious in his war against the Ammonites. The vow is stated in the Book of Judges 11:31: "Then whoever comes of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return victorious from the Ammonites, shall be the Lord's, to be offered up by me as a burnt offering (NRSV)." When he returns from battle, his virgin daughter runs out to greet him, and Jephthah laments to her that he cannot take back his vow. She begs for, and is granted, "two months, so that I may go and wander on the mountains, and bewail my virginity, my companions and I", after which "[Jephthah] did with her according to the vow he had made."
Two kings of Judah, Ahaz and Manassah, sacrificed their sons. Ahaz, in 2 Kings 16:3, sacrificed his son. "... He even made his son pass through fire, according to the abominable practices of the nations whom the LORD drove out before the people of Israel (NRSV)." King Manasseh sacrificed his sons in 2 Chronicles 33:6. "He made his son pass through fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom ... He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger." The valley symbolized hell in later religions, such as Christianity, as a result.
There are some geographical anomalies/errors in the texts as told, which are impossible to reconcile.
The locations named locating the Abraham Isaac and Jacob myths are not possible to reconcile.
Child sacrifice was simply a part of ancient culture in Canaan.
Genesis 22:1–2
Exodus 34:19–20
Leviticus 18:21
Leviticus 20:1–5
Deuteronomy 12:29–31
Judges 11:34–39
2 Kings 3:27
2 Kings 23:10
Isaiah 30:33
Jeremiah 7:31
Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble. - Joseph Campbell 
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