(September 16, 2023 at 6:20 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Data’s a coward and has to tap dance around the truth that his/her god created demons and satan/lucifer/devil exactly as they are.
Why dose your god have to create hateful monsters to fuck up humans Data?
WTF is the othe crap you typed out?
Please don't be moronic, that takes the fun out of this for me.
The Hebrew word satan means adversary, resistor. Do you understand what that means? If God had created Satan the Devil (devil means slanderer, liar) as he was then those descriptive titles wouldn't have been given to him because he wouldn't have been those things. Anecdotally I think that the names given us for spirit beings aren't the names they use for themselves, that is especially true of Satan. He wasn't given that name upon his creation, but only after his sin.
Lucifer is a Latin word that means light bearer. Think lightning bug, glow worm, luciferase. The Hebrew word is הֵילֵל, hêlēl, which means shining one. The Greek Εωσφόρος Eosfóros, ho he‧o‧spho′ros, “the bringer of dawn (morn). Isaiah 14:12. It doesn't apply to Satan in this instance. Here it is referring to the Babylonian dynasty which at the time was represented by Nebuchadnezzar. So, it's talking about him and Babylon. Go back to verse 1 and read it through. The term is, if you can see by following the link above and comparing translations, a metaphor. Morning star, daystar, bringer of dawn. These terms are used in the Bible for Jesus, Satan and Nebuchadnezzar. It means a marker for change. The daystar or morning star is the last star on the horizon to appear before the dawn.
In a literary sense Satan, Nebuchadnezzar and Jesus signified change. Satan brought sin, Nebuchadnezzar brought down the rebellious Israelites who represented Jehovah's earthly kingdom and Jesus brought salvation.
Now, if God created hateful demons either knowing or with the intention of them fucking up humans - if that was God's will, his purpose then I would want to know about it. The Bible says God is love, and I say okay. Fine. But I'm a practical more rational than emotional person. The way I was raised, in an atheist/irreligious house. So to me, God is truth, and truth is God. If God is a monster, fine, I want to know that. You see? In a way truth is as important to me as God but as it turns out God always leads me to truth or truth to God. They are, ironically oxymoronic, mutually exclusive, paradoxical. because truth is a belief accepted. It's subjective in a sense. All that seems like double speak because people are idiots. Almost always wrong. The truth they accept is either not, or chosen for some other reason. Inadvertently. I say people are idiots and the assumption is always it's a judgement call on everyone else from my perspective. It isn't. I exclude no one. I'm a person. So I have to assume I'm almost always wrong. Fortunately for me that isn't a challenge. Someone who is an ideologue, like, let's say Mr. Ball, would almost rather die than be wrong because their idiocy is their ego. It's a part of them they can't let go. They think if they're wrong in a debate, for example, they lose when the exact opposite should be true. They would win by learning where they were wrong. When idiotic atheists act as if science is their god they deify it, compromise it, sacrifice it to their ego.
I, uh . . . what the hell was I talking about? I have to entertain myself by playing the jester. Playing the part of the village idiot teaches me about the village. I just get bored anyway. But . . . there was a point to be made but I'll be fucking hell if I'm going to make it, see if I don't.
[people think my posts are rambling angry tirades that have me pulling at my bald patch and pounding my fists on the desk. They may ramble but I'm far more likely to fall out of my chair to the floor with tears of laughter.]