RE: Why are you (still) a Christian?
September 16, 2023 at 12:47 pm
(This post was last modified: September 16, 2023 at 12:48 pm by GrandizerII.)
(September 16, 2023 at 12:41 pm)Data Wrote:(September 16, 2023 at 12:23 pm)LinuxGal Wrote: By making Christ an angel you subject him to human judgment, rather than the other way around.
1 Cor. 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
And that's fine, I have a few things to say about his diagnosis of neurological disorders (Demons? Seriously?).
I don't know what you're talking about, it doesn't make any sense to me, at best it's anacdotal, not that that's bad if you had some logical excursion directing you hither. Anyway, I don't care about that.
Christ wasn't an angel in a definitive sense. Angel means messenger. Sometimes it is used for humans by being translated in those cases as simply messenger, but with spirit creatures it's translated angel. Messengers of God. Sent by Jehovah. So, the angels forsook their original position, as angels, spirit creatures, and became men who mated with humans females producing the Nephilim. Angels take on the form of men to serve as messengers - to more easily and effectively communicate with humans. So they are angels in the form of men. Angels and men.
Jesus, as Michael, had come here many times as the chief angel, the primary spokesperson or word of God. Hanging out with Adam and Eve, with Lot, (yes two not three like I said earlier. I don't know what the hell I was thinking there), wrestling with Jacob etc. Leading the Israelites out of Egypt. But in the case of Jesus, he was born a man. He came to earth from heaven as a spirit being to become a man in the womb. So, he had been an angel but then he was a man. Had to sacrifice his flesh and blood.
Paul took Jesus to be a divine figure, albeit literally begotten. But even in Paul's writings, I'm not seeing any connection to Michael. You say Jesus = Michael with such confidence, as if it's obviously very true. Where are you getting this confidence from?