Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: August 5, 2026, 6:02 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The Cosmological Proof
#8
RE: The Cosmological Proof
Believer: The things we see around us come into being as a result of the activity of other things.  These other things are themselves the result of the activity of still other things.  But this series cannot go back to infinity.  Hence there must be a first member which is not itself caused by any preceding member, or in other words a first cause, which all men call God.  This is the cosmological proof.

Atheist: Is the first cause all powerful, all good, and personal?

Believer: Of course! He's God!

Atheist:  How does the cosmological proof necessitate an all-powerful, all good, and personal being to be the cause of the second cause?

Believer: It doesn't.  It was never intended to prove that. You need different arguments for that.

Atheist: OK.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 23, 2023 at 3:03 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 3:18 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 23, 2023 at 3:36 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2023 at 4:17 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by brewer - September 23, 2023 at 4:25 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Paraselene - September 23, 2023 at 3:24 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by The Grand Nudger - September 23, 2023 at 3:29 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 4:43 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Angrboda - September 23, 2023 at 6:11 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 23, 2023 at 6:14 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by awty - September 23, 2023 at 6:20 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 6:40 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 6:53 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 8:01 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 8:20 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 6:24 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by awty - September 23, 2023 at 6:28 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 6:45 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 23, 2023 at 8:38 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 9:58 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 23, 2023 at 10:05 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Anomalocaris - September 24, 2023 at 12:20 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Belacqua - September 23, 2023 at 4:33 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 23, 2023 at 5:54 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Paraselene - September 23, 2023 at 4:45 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Paraselene - September 23, 2023 at 6:30 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Paraselene - September 23, 2023 at 10:00 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 10:08 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 23, 2023 at 11:04 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 23, 2023 at 11:19 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 24, 2023 at 4:46 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 5:03 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 5:20 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 5:31 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 5:42 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by LinuxGal - September 24, 2023 at 12:24 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 5:18 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 5:27 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 5:44 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 5:52 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2023 at 6:33 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Paraselene - September 23, 2023 at 11:07 pm
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by no one - September 24, 2023 at 6:08 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by no one - September 24, 2023 at 7:44 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 7:49 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by no one - September 24, 2023 at 9:07 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 9:23 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 24, 2023 at 9:32 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 9:40 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 24, 2023 at 11:45 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by no one - September 24, 2023 at 9:27 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by no one - September 24, 2023 at 9:42 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Ahriman - September 24, 2023 at 9:58 am
RE: The Cosmological Proof - by Paraselene - September 24, 2023 at 11:47 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The Kalam Cosmological Argument Disagreeable 123 29727 December 15, 2024 at 6:11 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  [Serious] Criticism of Aquinas' First Way or of the Proof of God from Motion. spirit-salamander 75 19815 May 3, 2021 at 12:18 pm
Last Post: Neo-Scholastic
  A 'proof' of God's existence - free will mrj 54 16768 August 9, 2020 at 10:25 am
Last Post: Sal
  Proof that I'm immortal Shantideva 64 14615 September 11, 2018 at 7:03 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  An easy proof that rational numbers are countable. Jehanne 7 4048 February 22, 2018 at 10:30 pm
Last Post: Jehanne
  Who Has the Burden of Proof? Rhondazvous 10 5438 October 26, 2015 at 10:49 pm
Last Post: jenny1972
  Proof Mind is Fundamental and Matter Doesn't Exist Rational AKD 348 142469 October 22, 2015 at 6:34 pm
Last Post: bennyboy
Exclamation Proof For The Materialization Of Dream Objects Into Reality A Lucid Dreaming Atheist 15 6777 August 19, 2015 at 1:44 am
Last Post: Alex K
  Proof of God Harris 257 103816 May 21, 2015 at 8:24 pm
Last Post: IATIA
  Eternal the originator of time - proof. Mystic 114 37623 April 19, 2015 at 2:00 am
Last Post: robvalue



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)