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Do people just naturally want conflict
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RE: Do people just naturally want conflict
(September 26, 2023 at 8:42 am)FrustratedFool Wrote:
(September 26, 2023 at 7:37 am)Ahriman Wrote: Not if it's literally beaten into you and made your mind unwilling to consider alternatives.

So do you no longer believe in freewill?

That aside, I can appreciate the difficulty in changing feelings about something.
But if you don't believe pleasure is irrelevant then all you have to do is type a post here saying, 'I think pleasure is relevant.'  It's not about your feelings, it's about what you assent to.

If, of course, you do believe that pleasure is irrelevant, then that's a different issue.  But then the issue isn't really one of you not being able to imagine an alternative because of your upbringing, the issue is that you hold to an opinion for whatever reason (regardless of its provenance) and we simply disagree.

Free will means freedom to act, to me. What's inside of my head, is not something I control.
"Imagination, life is your creation"
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Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 2:13 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 2:35 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 2:50 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 8:42 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by no one - September 25, 2023 at 3:14 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 6:28 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 6:51 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 6:54 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 7:16 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 7:20 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 7:32 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 7:43 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 7:56 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 8:11 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 8:13 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 25, 2023 at 8:20 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 8:49 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 8:14 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 8:15 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 8:35 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 8:38 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 8:50 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 8:55 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 8:58 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 9:07 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 9:11 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by h4ym4n - September 25, 2023 at 9:08 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 25, 2023 at 9:40 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 25, 2023 at 10:02 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 10:07 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 25, 2023 at 11:00 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 11:38 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by LinuxGal - September 25, 2023 at 9:04 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2023 at 9:33 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 4:55 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by LinuxGal - September 26, 2023 at 8:19 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 25, 2023 at 11:14 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 25, 2023 at 11:30 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Nanny - September 25, 2023 at 2:41 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 5:23 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 5:41 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 6:00 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 6:05 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2023 at 7:15 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by The Valkyrie - September 26, 2023 at 6:02 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 7:07 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 7:33 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 7:25 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2023 at 7:28 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 8:49 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 7:30 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 7:37 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2023 at 7:39 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Angrboda - September 26, 2023 at 8:17 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Belacqua - September 26, 2023 at 8:04 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 8:42 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 8:48 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Nanny - September 26, 2023 at 11:57 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 1:19 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Nanny - September 26, 2023 at 1:39 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 1:41 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 1:46 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 1:50 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2023 at 2:07 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Nanny - September 26, 2023 at 2:35 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 2:55 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 8:45 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 8:48 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Angrboda - September 26, 2023 at 11:28 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 8:50 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 8:52 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by FrustratedFool - September 26, 2023 at 9:01 am
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Nay_Sayer - September 26, 2023 at 12:19 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 12:13 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2023 at 12:39 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by paulpablo - September 26, 2023 at 3:13 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 4:08 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2023 at 4:16 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 4:42 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2023 at 4:45 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2023 at 8:32 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2023 at 8:30 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2023 at 4:12 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by MR. Macabre 666 - September 26, 2023 at 4:22 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 5:08 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 5:18 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 6:51 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by *Deidre* - September 26, 2023 at 5:22 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 5:27 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 7:12 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2023 at 8:36 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 8:38 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2023 at 5:28 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 6:29 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Nanny - September 26, 2023 at 6:26 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 7:13 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 8:27 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by LinuxGal - September 26, 2023 at 9:31 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 9:35 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by LinuxGal - September 26, 2023 at 9:40 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 9:43 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by LinuxGal - September 26, 2023 at 9:46 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Ahriman - September 26, 2023 at 10:11 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by arewethereyet - September 26, 2023 at 10:29 pm
RE: Do people just naturally want conflict - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 26, 2023 at 9:05 pm

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