(November 10, 2023 at 1:52 pm)Istvan Wrote:(November 10, 2023 at 1:16 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You picked a specific definition to try to avoid looking stupid. You failed. "Propaganda is communication intended to promote an organization, product, social idea, or belief."This seems so vague it could apply to nearly anything people write or speak. The concept of propaganda at least implies a reference to power dynamics, doesn't it?
This is from Merriam-Webster:
Quote:propaganda
noun
pro·pa·gan·da ˌprä-pə-ˈgan-də ˌprō-
Synonyms of propaganda
1
capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause
also : a public action having such an effect
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
This is from Cambridge:
Quote:Meaning of propaganda in English
propaganda
noun [ U ] mainly disapproving
US /ˌprɑː.pəˈɡæn.də/ UK /ˌprɒp.əˈɡæn.də/
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information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions:
political/wartime propaganda
At school we were fed communist/right-wing propaganda.
One official dismissed the ceasefire as a mere propaganda exercise.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dict...propaganda
And OED:
Quote:1.
1679–
Roman Catholic Church. Usually with the. (a) More fully Congregation of (the) Propaganda. A committee of Cardinals responsible for foreign missions, founded in 1622 by Pope Gregory XV (officially known since 1967 as the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples); (b) (more fully College of (the) Propaganda) a college established in Rome in 1627 by Pope Urban VIII for the training of missionaries. Now historical.
1679
And that the Roman Propaganda may not rise up in the Great Audit, against the Governours of the Reformed Church, they should be no less solicitous for it.
Bishop J. Gordon, Reformed Bishop ii. 31Citation details for Bishop J. Gordon, Reformed Bishop
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1998
In 1833 he attended the College of the Propaganda in Rome, where he distinguished himself in languages.
B. L. Bassham, C. W. Chapman ix. 167Citation details for B. L. Bassham, C. W. Chapman
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2.
1790–
An organization, scheme, or movement for the propagation of a particular doctrine, practice, etc.
1790
All Kings have..a new race of Pretenders to contend with, the disciples of the propaganda at Paris or, as they call themselves, Les Ambassadeurs de genre humain.
J. MacPherson, Letter 27 September in A. Aspinall, Corresp. George, Prince of Wales (1964) vol. II. 98Citation details for J. MacPherson, Letter in A. Aspinall, Corresp. George, Prince of Wales
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2001
The different propagandas of war and rampantly optimistic consumerism were being shovelled down audiences' throats.
Sunday Herald (Glasgow) (Nexis) 28 October 18Citation details for Sunday Herald (Glasgow)
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3.
1822–
The systematic dissemination of information, esp. in a biased or misleading way, in order to promote a particular cause or point of view, often a political agenda. Also: information disseminated in this way; the means or media by which such ideas are disseminated. Cf. black propaganda n.
1822
I think you have done well positively to decline any interference with their propagandâ purposes.
T. Carlyle, Letter 7 December in Collected Letters T. & Jane Welsh Carlyle (1970) vol. II. 224Citation details for T. Carlyle, Letter in Collected Letters T. & Jane Welsh Carlyle
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1990
A central debate is about education as propaganda or as study.
Times Educational Supplement 15 June B8/5Citation details for Times Educational Supplement
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So it appears to me that the stipulation that it emanates from a source of power isn't necessarily supported. It may be so, but that is not a firm connotation of the word.