RE: Hello to all
November 28, 2023 at 1:23 pm
(This post was last modified: November 28, 2023 at 1:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 28, 2023 at 11:31 am)Confused-by-christianity Wrote: I'll put my athiest hat on ...
I would suggest that you're not actually "putting your atheist hat on". Fwiw..maybe you can't? These are still comments flowing from your belief in the import making property being a property of a gods existence rather than a property of the thing and how, absent that belief in you, a theist, you couldn't see this or that.
It stands as a brute and inarguable fact that...rightly or wrongly, actual atheists can see what you do not or cannot. Maybe not all of us, or even most of us, I don't have exhaustive numbers, lol. Atheism is not a position on those things in and of itself so expectations of homogeneity are misplaced at best. MA is an atheist. MA sees and acknowledges human or intersubjective or relative importance. I think that exists too, but not just that. In fact, things important to god or because god are in that set themselves. God is also a subject in moral designations. So...the two of you may not be so far apart in principle as it appears in practice. MA does not believe that a god exists, but if it did it could conceivably have opinions on x just like we do and those opinions would be in the set of all like opinions on any such matter to be given equivalent care and...as it so often happens with many of the various opinions, assumed, acknowledged, or discarded. Gods opinions may be real, in the sense that there is a god and a god does hold those opinions...but so what?
-mind you, this is rhetorical, for elaboration - if you wanted to debate the issue or just discuss it in more depth make a thread and I'll be there. As an atheist, as an objectivist.
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