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Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real?
(January 13, 2024 at 11:41 pm)Harry Haller Wrote: 6 attributes of God:
1) God is Infinite, self-existing, without origin
2) God is Immutable, never changing
3) God is Self-sufficient, has no needs
4) God is Omnipotent, all powerful
5) God is Omniscient, all knowing
6) God is Omnipresent, everywhere
This is from a list of 15, but the first 6 sum it up.  

I am none of these things and struggle to understand/conceptualize how a deity with these attributes can exist/interact with my physical world.  It would seem, based on these attributes, that the deity should be able to easily convince me (especially if it created me and wanted me to have a relationship with it) of not just it's existence but also it's greatness.  The fact that no one religion has anywhere close to World-Wide acceptance (Christians make up about 30% of population) seems a direct indication of his inability to live up to his billing.  

I was raised Catholic - baptized, confirmed, married.  I was a lector at mass.  Served on various parrish committees.  Was a member of the Knights of Columbus.  I wanted to believe, but I could not.  I could keep going through the motions, but that is just acting and not really believing.  There are social rewards for conforming but there are personal rewards for living a true and honest life.  

If there is a Christian God then I believe he created me to not believe in him.  I am now fine with that.

Romans 9:18-21 : Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.  One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

In regards to the bolded part, I think god being immutable and never changing would not work in a universe that is constantly changing. What is the point of a universe being created by or ruled by something that never changes anyway? I am not sure if humanity, which is ever changing in terms of its society, would be something that could be considered compatible with such a being. I find that there is a similar problem with God being all knowing. If he is all knowing and is supposed to care for and love humanity, why does he not often step in to handle it? If at all? I have always thought God was too human-like since he was conceived by humans, and with that, I find it hard to believe such a being would be fit to be above everything else.

That said, those are some of the reasons why nothing could convince me that God exists (This is not towards you, Harry, by the way). God is just an idea used for power over humans, anyway, and even then, God is also many things that are mostly senseless, if not, all of it.

You know, the human race is male dominated, but given how there are species that are female only, and some of those species are even bigger than the males of said species (like spiders), I think that it would have been better if God was female. Even though God does not exist at all, this is the point: God, as well as religion, is based on human biases, and thus, both God and religion are heavily flawed.



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RE: Dear Atheists: what would convince you God/Christ is Real? - by ShinyCrystals - January 15, 2024 at 5:09 pm

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