(January 25, 2024 at 4:32 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: Snowtracks came back with
(January 23, 2024 at 3:25 am)snowtracks Wrote: Philosophical statement - If anything now exists, then something must be eternal or if not eternal then what exists came out of nothing.Which is pretty much axiomatic, though I would say it differently.
I wouldn't say it's axiomatic, I'd say it's a proposition that needs to be supported. Time as we know it started with the initial expansion, so in that sense, at least, the universe has always existed. I think you can make a case that philosophical nothingness is impossible and has therefore never existed, does that make 'something existing' the eternal thing?
The closest to nothing physics can get is quantum foam, and it's hypothetically capable of spawning universe all day long. Does/would quantum foam count as the eternal thing that must exist if anything now exists?
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.