(January 26, 2024 at 2:55 pm)SimpleCaveman Wrote: I have a very hard time with ‘nothingness.’ I have always :-) been in something. Some movies try to show it as dark and empty, but even that assumes space, time and something to perceive.
Do you consider philosophical nothingness to be different than material nothingness? When I think of nothingness, I am considering the latter. I haven’t thought through the former. For example, if God created the universe out of nothing, I think of that as no thing that was material. I think that would have to include energy since the two are connected.
(January 26, 2024 at 1:03 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: The closest to nothing physics can get is quantum foam, and it's hypothetically capable of spawning universe all day long. Does/would quantum foam count as the eternal thing that must exist if anything now exists?Yes, that is pretty close, but, if it turns out to work, it’s still not nothing. So, then the question is did that come from something else? If so, what? If not, then I suppose it would always exist in some sense.
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Philosophical nothingness I would say is no matter, energy, time, or space; all of those are 'somethings', the presence of which contradict philosophical 'pure nothingness'. I suppose philosophical nothingness could have existed at some point for an infinitesimal moment, and instantly became something because, without time, it couldn't last for any length of it.
I'm not hanging my hat on a particular cosmological theory, but some physicists make the case that it's not possible for quantum foam to not exist (it's an uncertainty principle thing). But saying something like that definitively about conditions lacking a universe is untestable.
I hope your weekend was pleasant.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.