RE: Does the Quran support Theocracy?
April 24, 2024 at 4:03 pm
(This post was last modified: April 24, 2024 at 4:17 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 24, 2024 at 12:05 pm)Leonardo17 Wrote: Do you know the meaning of 110 C Fahrenheit in a tropical climate?Yes, I grew up in a swamp in the se us.
Quote:Many people in these countries are too poor to afford AC. Many of them are not even going to survive this.
I am switching the subject but, where is our science and technology? In many ways, we are more powerful than the Gods of most mythologies. But this isn’t really Covid-19, AIDS or even Cancer. Such a dramatic shift of temperatures has not happened on this planet except when we were hit by the asteroid Chicxulub 66 million years ago.
Where is sci and tech? You mean, other than in the ac you acknowledge, or shade structures, or houses, or clothes, or the logistics to do all of that and the equipment to move it - up to and including affected populations in the worst case scenarios..along with any and every potential solution to those problems in the pipe, currently going, or yet to be dreamt up. Other than everywhere, the sci and tech is apparently nowhere.
Now....... "spirit" up a single solution to it getting hot outside?
Quote:But I am ok with your approach too. Being critical-minded is not a bad thing with all the BS people are trying to sell us out there.Perhaps you believe that because it's convenient, rather than accurate.
My decision is more like “I decide to trust” some sources that are available to me. And advanced meditators don’t even do that. They are invited to “directly experience” the higher levels of consciousness. That’s what they do in Yoga for instance.
My position as a deist is that there is value in most of the “Great Teachings” of this world. I believe that your experience with Abrahamic Religion has been rather superficial.
Quote:I’ve told you many times, my approach is not this many prayers a day, staying hungry at this time of the calendar, believing in this or that mythology as it has been related to me by this guy or that guy. Then spread the word to everyone because everyone else is too dumb to get it the way I do....and yet, look at your comment directly above.
Quote:I think I have some level of understanding on these issues. So I am taking the liberty of sharing my own personal ideas on some of the main issues of this world.-and the solutions to each of these problems are scientific and technical.
Ex: 1944 this week was when French women were granted with the right to vote (That happened in the month of April 1930 in Turkey). This year in the month of March was when they included abortion rights into the French constitutions. The reason why they did that was to avoid a Poland of US like scenario at any time in their country.
So I am like carrying this debate to the next level here.
When I was a kid there was this kid from a more traditional family system. We would openly ask him “Why do you believe in God, you know there are no Gods” and he was like “You know I prayed once and it happened”…
This is not the issue here. I am a believer in change. I think there can be ways of believing that should not provoke more scientific-minded people that much.
I am not saying that I found the Ultimate Truth. What I am saying is more like “Even with all that science, do we even know what’s in the emptiness around us?”
And Yes, I am critical of the pure technology-minded approach to life in general: Is there anyone here who would say no to breath clean air? To swim in lakes that were entirely unpolluted, to eat food that was grown without any harmful chemicals? To drink water that is free of micro plastics?
Quote:And this is not a “So is the Truth” type of argument. It’s more like “Yes, but what about that thing? What do you think about that thing?”Except there doesn't seem to be any "and also". How do any of the magic books - any of them - these great works that hold important stuff that you think is relevant to these issues.......propose that we filter our water, our air, or fertilize our crops?
So this should be the general mood of our debate. Thanks
If your proposal resolves to "we should become luddites like the gods intended" then this is not a solution to those issues as they existed and will persist whether we have or employ technology or not, it's a declaration of surrender. The "spirituality" of just quitting....and from where I sit, even that doesn't require any spirits, or any great knowledge in our historic superstitions. Just the usual misquided outlook promoted as a means to grasp social authority in god-bothering cultures.
I get that this doesn't look that way from your end, I really do. From your end all you're trying to do is salvage some parts of some treasured thing you came up with but not longer genuinely believe. The practical effect, though, what that urge leads you to do, is the same misappropriative shit the superstitious have always been engaged in. Attempting to claim for your "spirituality" whatever your peers might find valuable in a given place at a given time...insisting all the while that these obvious and productive ideas which you wish to make concordant are simultaneously innadequite to the task at hand as if that would even matter when your own are no solution to any of them whatsoever.
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