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[Kyuuketsuki]

I don't think Adrian mentioned the legalization of dangerous driving anywhere in his post. If crack was legalized it wouldn't have any influence on dangerous driving laws.

No I bought it in and with good reason ... if you are going to have full legalisation of drugs you have to police it and that means policing the consequences of it one of which might (almost certainly will) be the fact that people will drive under the influence of such things.

That said, it's been observed that speed limits don't really do anything. Normal people tend to drive at a speed they feel comfortable at, and crazy assholes do the same, regardless of posted limits.

Oh really? I was rather under the impression that speed limits (if only for reason of basic physics) save lives ... I'm fairly sure that the major motoring organisations think something along those lines (at least officially).

Kyu

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or do speed limits exist in your fairy tale utopia?

...yes. Why would a drug policy have any effect on speed limits? When do we ever make a new law and then say "ok, well now let's choose another random law and erase it"? Driving under the influence would still be illegal. We have legalized alcohol and people still drink and drive, but they get fined and sent to jail for doing so. This would be no different in a society that legalized drugs. I'm not arguing that legalization completely removes all drug-related crime, but the fact is that it would still be classified as crime, and the crimes involving drug smuggling / gangs would be reduced (for the simple reason that people would be able to buy drugs legally and not have to resort to black-market dealings.

And as I said to Meatball, if you have full legalisation of drugs you have consequences and you need to deal with them! You CANNOT have a society where drugs are freely available and NOT have such consequences IMO and that is why I consider your idea of legalisation of all the lovely drugs as utopian bollocks.

they can smoke 4 cigarettes on the go (possibly with marijuana oil, amyl nitrate or whatever on one or more of them) whilst driving

They can, and when they are caught by the police they will spend a lengthy time in jail. I personally think there should be tougher sentences on criminals generally in Britain, but that is just my view. People have the right to take drugs in their own home, but they do not have a right to let that drug taking affect others.

Oh for fucks sake man ... that's complete garbage. When have you known people keep their habits to their home? And again what about the other occupants? Oh yeah ... my wife can take as many drugs as she wants ... but hey, I HAVE TO FUCKING LIVE WITH HER! SHE HAS CHILDREN! It's crap!!!!

or perhaps they should be allowed to take ecstasy, speed and PCP in any combination they wish and no matter what mood they are in.

If people wish to kill themselves then I have no problem with it.

OK ... I give up!

Kyu