(June 8, 2024 at 12:59 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: It may be all you can do, in the end. Sort of wound in to the hypothetical setup. You've got a christian who believes in objective morality if there's a god..and doesn't believe in an objective morality if there isn't. That's the antithesis of a coherent worldview and literal nonsense. Sometimes people are just wrong and there's not much more you can say about it because they're wrong in such a simple way there really isn't anything left after the simple explanation.
Brings me back to that q you asked. Whether we care if a statement is accurate or whether we care if we're moral by any metric is, I think, dispositional and fundamentally subjective. Not argued into place. So lets say you point out that your friend is spouting literal nonsense. If that's true - will your friend actually care?
Many xtians are not able to admit that what they believe could be considered nonsense, at least to those who do not subscribe to the same underlying belief structure. Thus, when told that they are spouting nonsense, cannot rustle up a coherant answer. They will state that you are wrong, or that you are an idiot, or get rather red in the face, and huff and puff.
Caring about the accuracy of a statement, though . . . is that not a moral question?
