Atheism and Ethics

[Angrboda]

I think you're committing Moore's naturalistic fallacy.  The fact that harm is often associated with immorality doesn't mean that harm is morality.  The same with benefit.  What is beneficial may or may not be good in a moral sense.

I agree that harm is not morality.  I'm a value pluralist.  I think that harm is one of the things we're talking about when we talk about morality.  That we couldn't give a full and accurate description of morality without a reference to harm, and we couldn't give a full and accurate description of morality by referring to harm alone.  Hence my agreement with sam harris comment that if whatever someone else is talking about when they use the term doesn't include harm then we are not talking about the same thing.

That's your opinion. Rather than talking about different things it's also possible that we're talking about the same thing, but one or both of us is wrong.