(August 2, 2024 at 7:50 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(August 2, 2024 at 7:38 pm)Belacqua Wrote: Well, they're all based on Aristotle's arguments as to why a chain of causation has to end somewhere.
And remember that Aristotle believed the universe was eternal, with no beginning. The cause we're talking about here is not the beginning of a temporal chain.
Can you point out the flaws in Aristotle's argument to me?
Sure -- believing the universe was eternal without any evidence.
Next question?
ETA: I'm not sure who appointed Aristotle the Authority on this stuff. Could you tell me why you think he's right and everyone else in history must accept his pronuciamientos?
Be specific.
Please try to read what I say, and not accuse me of things I have never said and would not say.
"X said this" is not equivalent to "therefore you must believe it."
If we want to understand first cause arguments, we have to read what they actually say.