RE: The Kalam Cosmological Argument
August 3, 2024 at 7:49 am
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2024 at 7:52 am by Sheldon.)
(August 3, 2024 at 7:32 am)Belacqua Wrote:Nope you don't see, or possibly you're pretending not to, but I'll play long, I'll use bullet points as you're struggling, or pretending to:(August 3, 2024 at 7:02 am)Sheldon Wrote: Did I make any claims to believe or not believe those arguments? Are you trying to set some sort of record for straw man fallacies in a single thread?
I thought you didn't know what objective evidence means? Odd to ask for something when you don't know what it means?
Are we going to just skip past your two previous straw man fallacies? What am I saying, of course you're not going to even acknowledge your flawed reasoning.
I see...
So Russell and Nietzsche wrote rebuttals to Aristotelian causality, but you don't believe the rebuttals, because they lack objective evidence. Is that right?
1) A poster pointed out flaws in theological variants of the KCA, citing Lane Craig specifically.
2) You defended those variants of the KCA tacking a deity on by claiming: "Well, they're all based on Aristotle's arguments as to why a chain of causation has to end somewhere."
3) Now despite offering not one word as to why you think Aristotle's argument supported their woeful apologetics, you then asked:"Can you point out the flaws in Aristotle's argument to me?"
4) I then pointed out that opposing philosophical arguments abound, and offered two philosophers of renown as examples.
5) You then posted a string of straw man fallacies misrepresenting what I'd said.
6) I pointed them out carefully.
7) You ignored these and added another straw man fallacy, that had no contextual relevance.
8) You ignored that and posted your latest straw man.
Hope this clears things up, but don't hesitate to ask if you're still struggling, as the straw men you're posting are making me dizzy.
For clarity, we're none the wiser as to why you think Aristotle's argument helped Lane crane assume his chosen deity as a first cause in his variant of the KCA, but if I was a gambling man, I'd say this dizzying list of tangential straw men was designed precisely to avoid you explaining your claim, based on previous discourse. I'd also think it is a reasonable bet we will never find out, but I live in hope.