Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: November 21, 2024, 3:06 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The modal ontological argument for God
#22
RE: The modal ontological argument for God
(August 6, 2024 at 1:08 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote:
(August 6, 2024 at 12:17 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Yes, sorry that was my point, if we accept that X is possible then the argument works, no matter what X is.
-and again, no.  For this type of inference to work "whatever x" has to be "possibly necessary".  Cant just be "whatever x" because that's not how the modal operator works.

True, but we could replace the Abrahamic god with a Lovecraftian deity that is maximally unpleasant in some truly horrifying ways and arrive at the same conclusion. All we have to do is replace that nebulous "maximally great" with another, less pleasant adjective. Even if Plantinga's MOA is valid and true we wouldn't necessarily want to worship the result.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
The modal ontological argument for God - by Disagreeable - August 6, 2024 at 9:16 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 9:44 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 10:52 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 12:17 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Paleophyte - August 6, 2024 at 10:49 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Sheldon - August 6, 2024 at 12:25 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by brewer - August 6, 2024 at 4:45 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Nay_Sayer - August 6, 2024 at 5:05 pm
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Deesse23 - August 7, 2024 at 1:17 am
RE: The modal ontological argument for God - by Paleophyte - August 10, 2024 at 7:26 pm

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The classic ontological argument Modern Atheism 20 860 October 3, 2024 at 12:45 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Veridican Argument for the Existence of God The Veridican 14 2538 January 16, 2022 at 4:48 pm
Last Post: brewer
  Ontological Disproof of God negatio 1042 119091 September 14, 2018 at 4:05 pm
Last Post: LadyForCamus
  The Argument Against God's Existence From God's Imperfect Choice Edwardo Piet 53 10038 June 4, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  The Objective Moral Values Argument AGAINST The Existence Of God Edwardo Piet 58 15760 May 2, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Last Post: Amarok
  My own moral + ontological argument. Mystic 37 12267 April 17, 2018 at 12:50 pm
Last Post: FatAndFaithless
  Berkeley's argument for the existence of God FlatAssembler 130 17320 April 1, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Last Post: Pat Mustard
  A good argument for God's existence (long but worth it) Mystic 179 38002 October 26, 2017 at 1:51 pm
Last Post: Crossless2.0
  Ontological Limericks chimp3 12 3707 December 22, 2016 at 3:22 am
Last Post: Edwardo Piet
  On Anselm's 2nd Formulation of the Ontological Argument FallentoReason 7 3442 November 21, 2016 at 10:57 am
Last Post: FallentoReason



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)