RE: Theists, provide your arguments for God.
August 7, 2024 at 7:02 am
(This post was last modified: August 7, 2024 at 7:08 am by Sheldon.)
(August 6, 2024 at 11:06 pm)soulcalm17 Wrote: The observed inter-dependent of any parts of universe implied the changing form/qualities of parts of the universe that did not coming from each parts of universe itself independently.The only part of that I understood were these assumptions:
The changing form/qualities of those parts describing that there were previous attributes/qualities/conditions turned to later attributes/qualities/conditions.
So, there was beginning of those parts.
Hence, universe is not eternal.
It started to form, hence there is starter/creator/designer.
1. So, there was beginning of those parts.
NB there is a point of origin past we currently can't understand. A beginning is the point in time or space at which something begins, since both time and space are characteristics of the universe we currently observe, beginning seems like an inadequate word.
2. Hence, universe is not eternal.
Nope, your using a false equivalence, by equating the universe we currently observe with what existed before its point of origin, and we don't know what that was, so it is unevidenced assumption on your part, that the universe might can't be eternal, and simply (for example) have existed in some other form.
3. It started to form, hence there is starter/creator/designer.
Dear oh dear, that's the clumsiest non-sequitur I've seen, and that includes your contradictory debacle in the KCA thread, where in the space of just two posts you went from a straw man decrying atheists for believing in magic, to championing magic as the core of your beliefs in a deity.
It also looks suspiciously like you're denying the antecedent, either everything has a natural cause contained within the physical universe, or there is supernatural causation that forms no part of it, you can't premise the first, then claim the second logically follows. We observe the first, there is no objective evidence the second is possible.