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Historical Hercules
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RE: Historical Hercules
(September 16, 2024 at 2:12 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
(September 16, 2024 at 12:50 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: The only fundamental difference between the two positions is which came first.  A christ myth.  Or some guy.  

Personally.  I think it was the myth.  Let's start right off the bat by noting that the whole messianic (and herculean) spiel is that the guy fit into a preexisting myth.  I think that our legendary figures (both real and imagined) are a bridge between the world of our lived experience and the world of our mythological cultures.  Was there a greek strongman?  Sure.  Plenty.  Maybe hercules has his eyes, or his nose, or his ears.  Or maybe the author was daydreaming about his own boyfriend when he described the demi-god.

I still don’t see that it matters. If the myth came first, there’s no reason that characteristics of an actual person couldn’t have been appended to it. If the guy came first, there’s nothing to prevent mythic - or even divine - elements being added to his story.

A difference which makes no difference is no difference.

Boru

At some point, anything like this about any subject is entirely academic - and there are multiple roads to the same destination.  The two are very different with respect to the historic development of both the literary tradition and the religion, though.    Without a singular "historic jesus"...for example, the story of early christianity is not one of a bunch of simpletons and halfwits trying to make sense of the death of their local witchdoctor, nor is it an issue of unscrupulous operators selling gullible rubes on magic beans. The story, then, and all of it...becomes parable - intentionally so and from the very begining. A story that's not about a palestinian who was strung up by rome but a story about how life could have been, should be, and may yet become.
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Historical Hercules - by Fake Messiah - September 15, 2024 at 10:43 am
RE: Historical Hercules - by Nay_Sayer - September 15, 2024 at 11:32 am
RE: Historical Hercules - by h311inac311 - September 16, 2024 at 8:15 am
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 16, 2024 at 8:35 am
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 16, 2024 at 12:46 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Valkyrie - September 16, 2024 at 3:32 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by Pat Mustard - September 17, 2024 at 1:45 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by brewer - September 17, 2024 at 5:01 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 16, 2024 at 12:50 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 16, 2024 at 2:12 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 16, 2024 at 4:40 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 16, 2024 at 4:47 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by Rev. Rye - September 16, 2024 at 2:02 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by Ivan Denisovich - September 16, 2024 at 2:47 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 16, 2024 at 3:07 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 16, 2024 at 5:07 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 16, 2024 at 6:18 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2024 at 3:02 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2024 at 3:44 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2024 at 3:52 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2024 at 5:01 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2024 at 5:07 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2024 at 5:55 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - September 17, 2024 at 6:06 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 17, 2024 at 6:33 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Valkyrie - September 17, 2024 at 7:44 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by brewer - September 17, 2024 at 8:47 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 18, 2024 at 7:24 am
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Architect Of Fate - November 8, 2024 at 10:36 pm
RE: Historical Hercules - by Fake Messiah - November 9, 2024 at 2:37 am
RE: Historical Hercules - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2024 at 5:31 am

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