(December 30, 2011 at 9:48 am)Barre Wrote: It is simply ignorant to talk of the Bible as some sort of supernaturalistic, unified "book." No, it is obviously a collection of many documents, many of which have undergone significant editing. I can only conclude that you know next to nothing about the academic study of the Bible and probably know little about the contents of these ancient writings. Your triumphant statement is patent blather. You are making yourself look no-minded, uneducated and stupid... and proud of it to boot.He who has no respect for ancient texts –any ancient texts- is an ignoramus!
Anyway, I did not read the whole thread so go ahead and ignore my post if you have already discussed Mark 15:35-36 or Matthew 27:47-49, that is, what happens after Jesus spoke those four Hebrew words.
I suspect that the author of the gospel committed a grave mistake because he most probably did not speak himself Hebrew or Aramaic or whatever language Jesus was supposed to speak.
He was writing in Greek, he had Jesus speaking in Greek and when he eventually used four words of Jesus’ own language he was carried away and presented those standing by the cross (or some of those there) expecting Jesus to actually speak in Greek. They mistook the name “Eloi” or “El” for the common Greek name Ηλίας (Elias).
Quote:καί τινες τῶν παρεστηκότων ἀκούσαντες ἔλεγον• ἴδε Ἠλίαν φωνεῖ.
Those by the cross did not understand the Hebrew words because in his mind they did not speak Hebrew.
The gospels were written directly in Greek. There were never any originals in Hebrew.
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Yuri Lotman
Yuri Lotman
