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Help me refute the "suffering will be insignificant in heaven" theodicy
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RE: Help me refute the "suffering will be insignificant in heaven" theodicy
(November 14, 2024 at 10:09 pm)Modern Atheism Wrote: Hi guy, I am making a video refuting some responses to the problem of evil, and I would like some help refuting a response. The response is that the suffering human beings endure on earth will be insignificant when we are in heaven, and it will almost look just like a bad dream. What would you guys say to that?
That the amount of hedonistic pleasure they expect in heaven has no bearing on whether the actual pain on earth demonstrate gods malevolence, incompetence, indifference, or any combination of the three.  

Quote:Another common theodicy is the greater good defence. It's the argument that God allows evil to achieve some greater good. My response would be to say that an omnipotent God could have actualized any logically possible state of affair without the need to create suffering, but I am not sure this response is strong enough.

This is the claim that god is specifically incompetent.  It doesn't know how to bake a happy cake without breaking a few children.

Here's the thing, though. Reasoned rebuttals don't work on an irrational belief. Take a religious tack, suggest that if they don't stop talking shit about god he might deliver them some inconsequential pain in this life and the next.
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RE: Help me refute the "suffering will be insignificant in heaven" theodicy - by The Grand Nudger - November 14, 2024 at 10:26 pm

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