RE: Christianity; the World's Most Violently Persecuted Religion
December 13, 2024 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: December 13, 2024 at 1:34 pm by Sheldon.)
(December 13, 2024 at 1:13 pm)Angrboda Wrote:I agree, and of course this would not just be relative to the definition of those concepts but to how and when they are applied. Now take this back to the original point for example: That a deity created humans, allowed them free will, and that this deity was in no way culpable for their actions. Even without omniscience and omnipotence, the claim seems risible.(December 13, 2024 at 1:03 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sheldon got every form of apologism over this right in mentioning that the resolution is to limit one or both descriptors. So it can know everything except that which would make it impotent, or do everything except that which would make it ignorant. The whole thing is kind of moot in that people don't tend to believe in rational gods. You could repair any given god to make it explicitly logical and the faithful will simply reject that in favor of one miracle or another. People don't go to theistic gods for logic. They go to gods because they have an impossible ask. A desire. A demand. An idea of how the world should be which only makes sense in the context of it not being that way in mere reality.
The question is not whether or not there are limitations upon a specific conception, but rather whether those limitations are reasonable, rational, and defensible.
Like breeding the largest most aggressive dog you could, then releasing it into a children's playground, and entirely blaming the outcome on the dog, is a preposterous notion.
This is before we address the idea that humans possess "free will" or more accurately how much autonomy of choice we really have in any given situation.