(December 13, 2024 at 5:55 pm)Angrboda Wrote:It sounds to me like you're straw manning me, read my original post for proper context. Tell you what I'll save you the time, here it is:(December 13, 2024 at 4:06 pm)Sheldon Wrote: No of course not, but then this very concisely exposes the contradiction in the notion of literarily limitless power. Though this has moved on from the original point, about a deity creating everything, then granting one species of evolved apes free will, then having no culpability for their actions.
Generally speaking, theologians don't define or describe omnipotence as "limitless power," though some people may colloquially do so. The principle of charity obligates you to respond to the strongest version of an argument, to steelman it.
Incidentally, your objection cuts both ways. If Omnipotence implies being able to do the impossible, then pointing out something impossible isn't an argument against him as he is not bound by the law of noncontradiction, being limitless.
It sounds to me like you want to have your cake and eat it, too.
Quote:I am not an expert in superstition of course, or theology if you want to pretend, but it seems to me that the more autonomy or choice any entity has, the more culpable that entity must be for its actions. It's impossible to imagine more autonomy or freedom of choice than an entity that was both omniscient and omnipotent. Of course apologists usually offer omnipotent lite as a desperate rationalisation, to try and pretend limitless power has limits, but this doesn't help, as the notion of both omnipotence and omniscience inevitably violate the law of non contradiction, it cannot be otherwise.I've emboldened the part where I very specifically made the point you are now suggesting I did not.
Now, @TheWhiteMarten, I have asked several times, can you demonstrate anything approaching any objective evidence for any deity or anything supernatural, or that these ideas are even possible? I have noticed over the years, how reticent apologists become when anyone asks this. And to avoid semantics, all those words are in the dictionary for you.