(December 14, 2024 at 2:53 am)TheWhiteMarten Wrote:Ah, the analogy seems to have gone over your head. It was meant to illustrate the absurdity of the your hypothetical claim that a deity creating a scenario where people would inevitably end up being punished, was not at all culpable for the result, you see like a gangster punishing a victim because that victim chose not to do what the gangster said. Only of course we know gangsters exist and are possible, and have no objective evidence deities exist or are possible.(December 12, 2024 at 5:40 pm)Sheldon Wrote: Like people who doom themselves to being murdered, or beaten up, when they don't pay protection. It's their fault, not the scumbag deity...sorry criminal, who actually commits the crime.Not at all; rather it would be more akin to those who choose to violate the legal codes of their country, insult and disrespect their family until they are disowned and disinherited, and continues to blame everyone else for their consequences of their behavior.
Quote:Not really, that's a false equivalence, but lets leave aside your inability to grasp that the term man need not solely refer to biological sex for the moment, and focus on your inability to grasp that not believing in a deity, is not in and of itself a motive, rather that resides in the choices each individual atheist makes, unlike theism which has doctrinal teachings and dogma to follow or not.Quote:More evidence you don't grasp what an atheist is.An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God; just like a man is someone with a penis and XY chromosomes.
Quote:Now we can begin to extrapolate certain things... most atheists are extremely prone to thinking reading the Bible (or worse, 5 sentences picked and chosen) makes them theological masterminds despite an almost constant display of failure to comprehend the subject - case in point, the statement that God dooms people to hell rather than it being a result of their choices. That is entirely of our making.Ah you're going with a generic poisoning of the well fallacy, rather than specifically addressing the point, quelle surprise. So firstly the bible is a man made book, as are all books of course, but it is also demonstrably fallible in its ideas, and laughably erroneous in places, this is a given. So lets stick with the facts of your claim.
It's pretty obvious that we deem culpability based on how much choice or autonomy an entity has, we wouldn't blame a tree for killing someone if it fell on them, we would blame a human if they cut down a tree and didn't take proper precautions to avoid that.
Now, that the bible may or may not support your claim is not really relevant, either the reasoning of the claim is sound or it is not. Simply repeating the source of the claim doesn't change that, it is a manmade book after all, but then so are all books. The Legends of Hercules are not objective evidence for those legends.
Obviously this must remain a hypothetical discussion for me at least, unless you can demonstrate some objective evidence that any deity exists, or is even possible. You have ignored my request on this enough times now, so that I can only infer a negative.