(December 14, 2024 at 4:29 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(December 14, 2024 at 4:13 pm)Sheldon Wrote: I disagree, to say gay sexual desire is fine, as long as you live a lie, and deny who you are by never acting on it, is a condemnation of being gay. It tells gay people there is something wrong with them if they act on on their innate sexual desires. Sex between consenting adults who happen to be gay harms no one, that's a simple fact.
That's nice.
(December 14, 2024 at 4:13 pm)Sheldon Wrote: You seem to think simply making the claim, makes it so. In order for a deity's opinion to matter, it would necessarily need to exist, and there is no objective evidence any deity exists, or that the bible isn't just another man made book. What's moot is that a book condemns people from living as who they are, for no rational or reason.
It matters with regards to whether the proposition that the deity described by the bible and Christianity condemns the acts, regardless of sexual orientation or not, regardless of whether any such deity actually exists.
This is an example of moving the goalposts -- recasting a simple question about a proposition and its logical inputs into a question about what matters existentially.
Nope, it is a false equivalence your using, being gay, and having gay sex are not exactly the same thing of course, but to condemn people for having gay sex equates to condemning them for being gay.
The condemnations of homosexuality in the bible are immoral to me, whether a deity exists or not of course. However to say "only god's opinion matters, and all else is moot" then claim that deity's existence is not relevant, is what I would describe as moving the goal posts.
I am an atheist, it's a given I don't believe those condemnations or anything in the bible is the opinion of any deity.
