Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: July 30, 2025, 4:17 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
The Attack on Scientific Truth in Public Schools
#50
RE: The Attack on Scientific Truth in Public Schools
As science, creationism is a hypothesis, severely lacking any kind of evidence. The worst thing is that creationist, specially of the Discovery Institute know this. The trick creationists pull time and time again is trying to poke holes in an established theory, thinking it somehow gives credit to creationism in some way.

Its all the DI does, they place all their effort in trying to discredit the ToE, and get politicians to allow "teaching the controversy" as if there actually is one. Creationists point to the scientists who doubt the validity of the theory, and trump up some bogus list of scientists (where on several occasions several scientists on those lists have pointed out that in fact they do accept the ToE as the most plausible theory, but were tricked in the way the poll question was put forward).

In response, the NCSE put forward a list of its own, with scientists signing that they agree with this statement:

"Evolution is a vital, well-supported, unifying principle of the biological sciences, and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a common ancestry. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudoscience, including but not limited to "intelligent design," to be introduced into the science curricula of our nation's public schools."

At the moment, this list has 1183 names on them. That might not seem much, but there is a catch. The only scientists allowed to sign their support on this statement, have to be named Steve. Even with this huge limitation of who is allowed to sign (it is estimated no more than 1% of American scientists are called Steve) this list still far outnumbers any list creationists have come up with.

The reason the NCSE did this was not to claim that the ToE is correct, but just to make it obvious that people should not be bought in with polls on validity of a scientific theory, because in the end it is nothing more than an argument from popularity, and not science.

I am all for teaching a controversy if there is indeed a controversy to speak of. As it stands however, there is no competing theory or even a hypothesis that has any merit. Teaching creationism or its lab coat disguise ID has no place in the science class until it does. And I am willing to bet that that will not be any time soon.
Best regards,
Leo van Miert
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall --Torque is how far you take the wall with you
Pastafarian
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: The Attack on Scientific Truth in Public Schools - by leo-rcc - January 3, 2012 at 7:39 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Truth or swag? Angrboda 64 13759 June 4, 2018 at 3:08 am
Last Post: Whateverist
Question Is theism more rational in a pre-scientific context? Tea Earl Grey Hot 6 1906 March 7, 2017 at 3:54 pm
Last Post: ignoramus
  Why do far right Christian-Conservatives want to put Jesus in schools NuclearEnergy 41 11199 February 8, 2017 at 11:42 am
Last Post: Asmodee
  Theists: would you view the truth? robvalue 154 27276 December 25, 2016 at 2:29 am
Last Post: Godscreated
  Would you attack the Church if you could? Macoleco 108 22932 December 19, 2016 at 2:31 am
Last Post: energizer bunny
  Scientific evidence of God by an atheist (Where mankind is one likely type of God) ProgrammingGodJordan 324 72065 November 22, 2016 at 10:44 am
Last Post: Chas
  10 Ways That Theist Pigs Graze At The Public Trough Minimalist 1 1593 May 21, 2016 at 4:57 pm
Last Post: KUSA
  Scientific PROOF that God Exists! ignoramus 14 4326 March 27, 2016 at 10:35 am
Last Post: Aoi Magi
  Waving your religion around in public is like dyresand 9 4159 September 11, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Last Post: vorlon13
  Moral Truth The Reality Salesman01 12 4180 February 21, 2015 at 12:09 pm
Last Post: goodwithoutgod



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)