(May 2, 2025 at 6:57 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:No they can't be verified at all, those claims are unfalsifiable.(May 2, 2025 at 6:26 pm)Angrboda Wrote: We have trust in things that, after being granted an initial largesse, reward us by fulfilling our expectations. That's not how religious faith works. God doesn't come down and find your car keys for you. You believe that your expectations have been fulfilled based upon a feeling. But that feeling isn't necessarily caused by God. So you believe your trust has been fulfilled because you want to believe that your trust has been fulfilled. That's not at all trust in. That's essentially circular reasoning resting on your initial largesse of blind faith. That's similar to a stalker believing that their idol secretly loves them, that their idol has shown that they love them, even if it's not evident to anyone but the stalker.
These are more or less verifiable expectations: You'll either be saved or you won't be, you'll have eternal life, or you won't.
Quote: Like Noah trusting God and building the ark when no rain had yet fallen. The story concludes with the flood, where we learn his faith was indeed well placed.Except it is an objective fact that no global flood has ever occurred, the geological record demonstrates this fact, unequivocally, so the irony is that using this example demonstrates how useless such faith is in establishing the veracity of the belief.
What is the best reason you have for believing a deity exists / is possible? If you can't demonstrate a deity is even possible, then faith is entirely moot.
