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Evidence and causes for doubt
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Evidence and causes for doubt
Sometimes theists ask us, "what evidence would you require in order to believe in the existence of God?" It's a good question. Or, maybe it's just a fun question, but either way I like it. I don't suppose I could ever trust any type of personal revelation, because I would have no way of differentiating between a neurobiological mental experience and a "divine" one. I kind of enjoy the idea of scientists proposing some kind of descriptive model of God that eventually graduates into the "theory of God," just like any other scientific discovery. That would be wild. But then, this feels silly to me when I think about it, because if god were discoverable through empirical means, then he'd be a natural phenomenon instead of a supernatural phenomenon. In other words, he would exist, and therefore not be "god." 😛.

But, I took the question seriously, and answered it sincerely. So, now I want to ask the theists to ask themselves: what evidence, if any, could rattle your faith, and what would the nature of the evidence have to be? Are you open to the idea that some day there might exist enough scientific evidence to cause doubt in you as an individual? Or, are your beliefs not ever affected by science? If they aren't, could any type of personal experience ever cause you to doubt?

To be clear, I'm not being a wise-ass. Maybe it's a stupid question, but I am genuinely curious. Thanks!
"Well, it's got to be a chocolate jesus, make me feel good inside.  Got to be a chocolate Jesus, to keep me satisfied."  - Tom Waits
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#2
RE: Evidence and causes for doubt
Recall that when asked a direct question for once in his life Ken Ham was honest.

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RE: Evidence and causes for doubt
Ray Comfort Wrote:[Image: 400px-Godless_Comfort.jpg]
Sum ergo sum
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RE: Evidence and causes for doubt
Fucked is a mind that can't even conceive of a hypothetical scenario.
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#5
Evidence and causes for doubt
Wow...both of those are terrifying.
"Well, it's got to be a chocolate jesus, make me feel good inside.  Got to be a chocolate Jesus, to keep me satisfied."  - Tom Waits
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Evidence and causes for doubt
(7th March 2016, 13:06)robvalue Wrote: Fucked is a mind that can't even conceive of a hypothetical scenario.

Yeah, and the worst part is 147 people "liked" his response!
"Well, it's got to be a chocolate jesus, make me feel good inside.  Got to be a chocolate Jesus, to keep me satisfied."  - Tom Waits
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RE: Evidence and causes for doubt
God has been made too big for his britches. It would be impossible to prove that a being was omniscient or omnipotent.
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Especially that fuck-up of a god.
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RE: Evidence and causes for doubt
(7th March 2016, 13:14)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(7th March 2016, 13:06)robvalue Wrote: Fucked is a mind that can't even conceive of a hypothetical scenario.

Yeah, and the worst part is 147 people "liked" his response!

And I'm sure the bulk of the replies he received were "Amen!"

Bunch of fucking lemmings....

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RE: Evidence and causes for doubt
William Lane Craig -

"The way in which I know Christianity is true is first and foremost on the basis of the witness of the Holy Spirit in my heart. And this gives me a self-authenticating means of knowing Christianity is true wholly apart from the evidence. And therefore, even if in some historically contingent circumstances the evidence that I have available to me should turn against Christianity, I do not think that this controverts the witness of the Holy Spirit"

Talk about confirmation bias!

Not to mention, an intellectually dishonest debater.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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