RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 5, 2025 at 4:09 pm
(This post was last modified: May 5, 2025 at 4:14 pm by Sheldon.)
(May 5, 2025 at 4:01 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:(May 2, 2025 at 6:57 pm)John 6IX Breezy Wrote: I disagree, but perhaps not in a direct way. I can agree that trust has some kind of substance or result, maybe even a measurable outcome, from which we can look back and conclude if the trust was well-grounded. And Christian faith, broadly speaking, is concerned with specific outcomes such as salvation, forgiveness, eternal life, and the like. And so, when a Christian lives by faith, they're saying they trust God with their salvation essentially. These are more or less verifiable expectations: You'll either be saved or you won't be, you'll have eternal life, or you won't. So, I don't agree that the result of faith is a feeling, I think there is a substantive verifiable outcome.
And of course, whether you believe them or not, all the biblical stories of faith show this. Like Noah trusting God and building the ark when no rain had yet fallen. The story concludes with the flood, where we learn his faith was indeed well placed.
Not sure I agree 'finding out when you're dead' constitutes a 'verifiable outcome'.
Oddly enough I pointed this out as well, when he made the claim, but he rolled past it without comment, quelle surprise...