RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 10, 2025 at 7:00 am
(This post was last modified: May 10, 2025 at 7:27 am by Sheldon.)
(May 10, 2025 at 6:50 am)Belacqua Wrote: So it seems to me that setting up a kind of good-vs.-evil opposition of objective vs. subjective is too simple, and needs to be examined in a careful way. It's the sort of thing we could talk about, if we were able to talk about things in a temperate way.So firstly I asked you specifically if you thought evidence, that had as much subjective bias removed as is possible, would be more reliable than evidence that has not, you never answered.
Secondly no one is framing the debate that way, or has championed positivism that I can see, though each person is free to choose their own personal threshold for credulity, however if someone brings claims to a public debate forum, they can't just reel off those claims, and then sneer at people who ask what supports them.
Lastly I very specifically asked John, to give the best reason he thought he had for believing a deity existed, to justify his claim he had good reasons for his faith, he refused to offer anything.
Instead all we got was trolling, misdirection, and sophistry.
Science is demonstrably the best method we have for understanding reality, but please don't twist this into other claims, that have not been made. If you want to discuss positivism, then why not start a thread.
If you (or anybody else) think either theism, or metaphysics has any credible arguments or evidence that Jesus was a deity made flesh, then present them, and lets take a look.