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In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
(Yesterday at 8:53 am)John 6IX Breezy Wrote:
(May 9, 2025 at 10:48 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: And thus for any definition of god that is distinguishable from nothing we have:

God ---> evidence
Not evidence

Evidence for God is everywhere, and that's the problem with requesting it. 
On the contrary, if you think it is ubiquitous it should be easy to offer. 
Quote:For example, scripture introduces God as the entity that made all things, and life in particular. Therefore, the planet itself and every living cell on it is evidence consistent with the thesis. 
That's a circular reasoning fallacy, and why would I lend any credence to the creation myth in the bible? It is demonstrably at odds with objective facts, and not itself supported by any remotely objective evidence. 
Quote:To use your template: God ---> Life on Earth. And we observe life on Earth.
Again, that's just begging the question, to create a circular reasoning fallacy?
Quote:But you don't actually care about whether there’s evidence, you care about which interpretive framework fits it best and to be persuaded of one over the other.
Now before we have @Belacqua getting all self righteous again, and accusing me of being too confrontational, take a fucking look at that no true Scotsman fallacy, and ask yourself how one is to respond to such an obvious piece of sophistry? 

Given that John earlier claimed that evidence doesn't exist, only interpretation, on what grounds one wonders, is he now making this accusation, as if we ought to care about evidence when he has claimed not to, and to want to extirpate the word? Even were it to be true, which it is quite obviously not.

I wouldn't need evidence for a deity, if I already believed a deity had created everything, now would I? You can't rationally evidence claims with other unevidenced claims. What evidence can you offer that a deity created anything?
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