RE: In your opinion what causes christians to believe in Jesus
May 11, 2025 at 7:20 am
(This post was last modified: May 11, 2025 at 7:45 am by Sheldon.)
(May 11, 2025 at 7:10 am)Alan V Wrote:It's odd how this question has evaded us for 79 pages as well. Surely the very first thing one would offer in such a debate, is the best or most compelling reason they think they have.(May 11, 2025 at 7:00 am)Belacqua Wrote: I have no problem with the idea that the majority of believers have a simplistic view of things. I have no problem with Dawkins arguing against that view. But it means he still has all the hard work left to do.
Yes, and other atheists addressed more difficult questions -- Victor Stenger for instance. No one is good at everything, so we don't usually judge people by what they are not trying to do.
What bothered a lot of people is that Dawkins pointed out how laughable many common ideas of God are. The problem we are trying to address in this discussion is what, exactly, is left of the God-concept after you eliminate the worst ideas? Is there anything useful at all?
What sort of deity would create one species of evolved great ape, without the intellectual capacity to make an informed decision about its existence, if it wanted them to believe it was real, or even punished or tortured them for failing to believe it?
It would either have to be inept, or cruelly indifferent.