(May 15, 2025 at 2:21 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: I think that the problem that John's having is that he can't seem to distinguish between propaganda and indoctrination, which are matters of persuasion and influence, and the much more absolute cases of "mind control" and "brain-washing".
No, that's the thing. I'm treating propaganda as nothing more than an advertisement for some ideology—and all ads are attempts at persuasion. But I have a technical definition of persuasion, and I understand how it works and how it doesn't. And the way I'm seeing it used here leans heavily towards something like mind-control, where the person exposed to the propaganda is involuntarily influenced by it.