(May 20, 2025 at 1:21 pm)emjay Wrote: Well, she does seem a bit like a crazed stalker, lol, but apart from that, I'm all for softening some of those 'ch's... the ch sound, the 'ich-laut' is very hard for me to get right, as well as the ach-laut, though I think I'm getting better, and trying to be much more mindful about it rather than falling back into the easy but bad habit of basically pronouncing it 'sch' like you're saying she does. Both sounds have the mouth in completely different positions, so I'm just trying to be mindful of that, if nothing else. Basically it's going to be important to get it right if I want to be able to properly distinguish between eine Kirche, a church, and eine Kirsche, a cherryThats why in all dialects we avoid the "ach" or "ich" as well, and morph them into sch/sh, or sometimes just leave out the "ch" part/have it very, very silent.
Its hard to speak high german fluently, even for germans. High german is the native language of no german. High german has never been spoken by a german native, but dialects have. And dialects, unlike high german, can be spoken very smoothly and efficently, like in every other language.
Idk, maybe its an error in non-germans thinking that germans speak high german, are able to speak it fluently. They dont. Basically only TV-news people (or actors) can do this, and they are admired in Germany for being able to do so!!!! We all speak dialects instead. Very distinct ones, that mutually cant be determined to be german even. We all speak, in everyday life a very much softened version (according to local dialect) of high german.
If you look at an extreme example, here is "plattdeutsch", spoken at the coast (Frisia). I (and most other germans) may only be able to decipher 20% at best. I probably have better chances with Spanish or Italian because i have learned Latin. But Platt too, sounds much softer than high german. It has to, otherwise you wouldnt be able to speak fluently with each other.
Tl;dr
Dont try to perfect your high german, unless you want a degree. Germans dont bother too

Watch the intro with the blonde, then the old timers and compare this to the commentary from the off.
Ok, back on topic.....what was the topic again?

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